Magna Print Killer Base

[lancasterprinthouse]

We tried this on a 400 piece flag design yesterday on 2 brands of ladies tri blend shirts. Killer base with Union Bright Red, 280 blue and Quick White top. I didn't put any additives in the ink at all. Wanted to see how it ran straight out of the bucket. Overall it ran good. Overall hand was about the same as with our standard Quick White base with a smoothing screen. My biggest reason for wanting to use it was that its half the price of Quick White.

We have a electric dryer. Initial wash tests turned out good. I will continue doing additional wash tests to see how the print holds up over time. We slowed down the belt and had them in the heat for 1 minute. Slowed us down a little as we were only able to run at 400ph.

I would advise with hsa style inks the waste and evaporation should be a consideration. With quick white whatever isnt used after the job is ran can be re used where as with hsa you have to recycle the old ink into new ink and you will lose some each time this is done. HSA does not go near as far as plastisol goes.... We go through drums of hsa so much faster then we ever did with plastisol so I would just keep that in mind.

Danny just nailed the hidden truth to HSA that is glossed over a lot. Great inks but can result in a lot of waste. We use them. A lot. But at the end of the day / week yeah you scratch your head was the waste really Green???

Agreed. I waste a lot of discharge that’s for sure and HSA is a tricky balance of keeping the original ink properties while minimizing waste.


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[avogel]

Thanks guys. Waste is definitely something to keep in mind as we continue with this product.

[im_mcguire]

OK, I was finally able to use this yesterday.  I do have to say, I am sold.  As much as I would like to use 100% WB, we just can't here for multiple reasons.

But using this killer base was a really nice touch on this job we ran.

It did print on 100% cotton Bella canvas shirts, but I also threw a few samples on a next level try blend 6010 royal.

These printed great, and the printing of the base, went fairly smooth compared to other HSA I've printed in the past.

*please don't judge me on that dot gain...

[rusty]

What brand did you use for top colors? I want to try this with rio but some have said low cure inks don’t play well with the killer base.

[RICK STEFANICK]

We have now ran several drums of the killer base. We use the Wilflex equalizer system and get exact matches as the samples done with quick white. in fact the colors are just a touch brighter.

[lancasterprinthouse]

What brand did you use for top colors? I want to try this with rio but some have said low cure inks don’t play well with the killer base.

I have done quite a few pieces with Rio and have no wash issues and no complaints from clients about wash issues. The key is to cure the underbase like normal waterbase. Don’t try and use the low cure properties of the Rio inks. I cure around 330-335 for 2 minutes.  The only time I had bleed issues was on rayon. No bleed issues in triblends or poly/cotton blends


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[cleveprint]

Got a gallon in myself to do some testing on this as it sounds great. We do a bunch of prints that get some really heavy underbases due to the print area/designs. Figured this could give us a little softer feel. We use Rio inks mainly. Tested on some triblends, regular cotton, ringspun cotton and some heavier comfort colors. We did a set where we under cured, cured to exact specifications and one set left in the chamber a little longer. So Ive had no luck and all of my wash tests have failed. Cracking on every one of them. Look ok right out of the wash but the slightest stretch of the shirt reveals the cracking. Even some coming off.

 Initial prints do look fantastic though. I did not try any tests with the Wilflex Epic Standard colors. We do stock some of those inks besides just Rio. Not sure if that would make a difference or not. For what its worth, we have little to no experience with waterbase. All of our experience has been just testing here and there and very little actual production. So I could be missing something.

[Ross_S]

Dryer specs?  Gas or Electric?  Time in the oven at what temp?  Also might not be penetrating the garments enough.

[3Deep]

Just got a sample of the killer base and will be testing later today on some comfort colors that I know are bleeders and a few other blends, smelling this ink right out the can smells kinda like automotive paint.  If it's like waterbase then I know it needs to be driven into the fabric which might stop some top cracking, I started out printing waterbase inks many years ago but found plastisol easier to work with and never looked back, how things come back around over the years

[Orion]

I will probably soon be testing Killer Base. I start my new job tomorrow with a contract shop and PMS matches are a must. My first major project will be solving the problem of PMS shift on white underbase. The owner is considering switching from MX to Rio to help with this.