What we are getting for Christmas

[Jepaul]

JEPAUL just follow digitsmith.  I too have seen more than normal go through that site in the last few months.  Something is up or people wouldn't be jumping ship.

I follow it.  Weekly.   

Maybe I look in the wrong place.  I can only find two since August that includes 40mm which are already sold.


http://www.digitsmith.com/search.php?searchid=2417771

[CBCB]

I told them 11 years ago id never even blink in their direction because of Hirsch. I think they will do infinitely better as a result of getting away from them.

They’ve got a new guy to ruin their reputation now, his name is Jon Potter.

The presses look fast and I’m watching them closely. First auto was a ROQ and yeah, the support has left a lot to be desired.

But when I emailed MHM for an unedited video of changeovers in a real shop they said they’d send one and never did despite me following up.

Danny’s changeover video is still the fastest I’ve seen in a real shop but these MHM presses look fast too. They talk a lot of game about shops doing fast changeovers so someone just needs to hold a phone up for 10min. Not sure what the problem is.



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[Maxie]

CBCB, what does that mean, a new guy to ruin their reputation?     John has done really well in the UK with MHM.
Are you saying that the editing of the video is not honest?
I know nothing about Roque machines, how good they are, etc.
I do know that they managed to do really well in the USA with aggressive marketing and unreal financing.
MHM in my opinion, and I own two, is a much better built machine.
The S type is incredibly well built and the way the screens move up and down and not the all the printing pallettes adds to accuracy and reliability.
I know that there were a lot of complains about Hirch's service but I think that with SPSI MHM will rebuild the American market.
They have a added bonus in Tony Palmer, I met him at Long Beach and he's knowledge of printing and MHM is incredible.
I'd better stop here, you'll think I'm paid by MHM which I am not, I just love my machine.   Anyone who has used a S Type and got used to the sound of the pin locking will understand what I am saying.
Let's not turn this in a Green/Blue war. 
I recently got a Douthitt, soon I will be testing the registraton with the MHM, I'll keep you all informed of my progess.   

[1964GN]

Danny is the man when it comes to dialing things in and getting maximum efficiency. No doubt his set up times are wicked fast. I also don't think that anyone has gone to the lengths that Danny has to get to that point.

Cory, I am very surprised you can't see past the green. You're a smart guy, and I do appreciate your enthusiasm for the brand you love, but you sound like a child when you start talking smack the way you do. You should really save that for your FB alias.

I'm sure that you have seen my zero micro set up videos on FB yet you still doubt that MHM's have wickedly fast set ups. Screens, squeegee's and flood bars go in just as fast and easy as the ROQ's. Inking up? Just as fast. The only difference is clamps and reg board vs pins. Better than a video... come to our shop and work for a couple of days. That offer actually goes out to anyone that is interested.

[CBCB]

CBCB, what does that mean, a new guy to ruin their reputation?     John has done really well in the UK with MHM.
Are you saying that the editing of the video is not honest?
I know nothing about Roque machines, how good they are, etc.

Yeah, that Jon guy has been a jerk to me and I’m confident his attitude is preventing me from getting info on the machines.

I’m not saying anything about the honesty of the video. I can’t form an opinion on something when only edited footage exists.



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[CBCB]

Danny is the man when it comes to dialing things in and getting maximum efficiency. No doubt his set up times are wicked fast. I also don't think that anyone has gone to the lengths that Danny has to get to that point.

Cory, I am very surprised you can't see past the green. You're a smart guy, and I do appreciate your enthusiasm for the brand you love, but you sound like a child when you start talking smack the way you do. You should really save that for your FB alias.

I'm sure that you have seen my zero micro set up videos on FB yet you still doubt that MHM's have wickedly fast set ups. Screens, squeegee's and flood bars go in just as fast and easy as the ROQ's. Inking up? Just as fast. The only difference is clamps and reg board vs pins. Better than a video... come to our shop and work for a couple of days. That offer actually goes out to anyone that is interested.

I’m trying to see past the green.

I don’t doubt that the setups are fast. I have seen the fast micro videos but I am wanting to see it in a real shop. Not on a tradeshow flow. Not just unclamping the screens and resetting them.

Are you Jon Potter? You sound exactly like him with the ‘come to a shop and see’ so I’ll clarify something for you. You said I’m smart (I’m not) so please give this some thought.

If the changeovers are so fast then somebody PLEASE put a phone up for 10min between jobs.

That is so much far easier than me flying literally anywhere.

And I’ll say this about Roq. I’ve answered this many many times in private when asked about my choice. I was vary wary of the strong marketing and then got absolutely boned on my install.

The reason I went green is because I saw shops I respect flipping to green presses. We do many jobs under 100 pieces and the unedited crappy videos filmed by a rep visiting his shop were the fastest setups i could actually see.

I don’t doubt anything that’s why I am trying to validate the claims. I keep getting told to fly to other countries to see something that COULD be shown in minutes... if the claims are true.


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[Biverson]

There's a couple videos out there on how fast and accurate a dialed in MHM/Douthitt combo can be. Here's a link to a couple:

https://www.facebook.com/bgnord/videos/10220999306602850/

https://www.facebook.com/SPSIINC/videos/197663248036291/

They're not full setups (setting in squeegees, floodbars, etc.) but can see the colors haven't been printed yet. I'll do one once I get my heads zeroed out.

Cory, I think you're a smart guy, and I also think Bryce is a smart guy. Lets not let the color of our presses allow us to throw shade at one another and turn this into a convo that mirrors the current state of US politics (or any politics for that matter). We've all got experiences that have led us to where we are. Our experiences with any person (Jon Potter, Ryan Moor, etc.) or supplier (SPSI, Ryonet, Hirsch, etc.) wont' be the same. I think we need to understand that anyone that has a piece of equipment is going to be more partial to it due to the fact they invested in it and our livelihoods depend on it. Hell, I had an Anatol....still do....anyone want to buy it?!?! It's a good press. I'll divulge in my post on why I switched things up in my shop.

I'm still getting everything dialed in on mine and have only run a handful of jobs. I will second Bryce's comment on the macros being like butter. There is no play in them whatsoever. Getting the heads "zeroed" is also incredibly easy. I ran a 4-color job on Saturday and had to touch the micros for the back. I setup the screens to have both the front left chest and full back on opposite ends. Once I was done with the back I simply flipped the screens around, did a test print, and everything lined up 100%. I was ecstatic. By far the fastest I've ever set up a job.

As far a Jon Potter he's been nothing but helpful for me. I'm definitely a "small fish" in terms of shops, but he's taken time out of his day to talk with me for over an hour on the benefits and differences of MHM presses. The guy isn't even making anything off my sale and he's responded to every FB message I've sent. I wouldn't say he's ruining any reputation but trying to salvage it in the US from the shambles Hirsch left it in. I am scratching my head and wondering how Hirsch sat on this good of equipment and managed to keep their features and build quality under the radar.

Another word of advice - If you go to MHM either get all your screens with the cups welded on, send your statics to GSF to get them welded on, or use the pins for Rollers. I have about 20 statics I drilled the plastic cups into. I was 1/16th of an inch off center which you think wouldn't matter - it does. Luckily, I've got 150 rollers to use and I'll just use the statics on single color jobs. Rob Soat, the tech for MHM/SPSI, got it straightened out for me when he was here.

[CBCB]

Please read my comments in a different tone. I’ve am not throwing shade on your press or decision.

I’m a small fish too. I’m confident that there are a lot of people smarter than me. I don’t think you made your decision lightly.

I mentioned Jon by name because he was a jerk to me. I sent MHM an email because I felt he was interfering with my ability to see the presses in action.

One time I asked for info about a squeegee cutter and he replied to several people saying to email him directly. I suggested he just post the info in the thread and save people some time. He got pissed and said he was going to send us all free ones but changed his mind because of my reply. It’s a $20 tool. I respect our industry as a whole, it’s better for me to just go buy it than someone ship across the pond out of their own pocket anyway. Appreciate the gesture but it shows a lack of efficiency on its own.

I’ve seen all those videos I just want to see a simple changeover in a real shop.

Danny offered $10,000 to anyone who can post a video of a faster setup. Jon Potter told him to donate it to charity.

So I’ll say it again. Why doesn’t someone hold their phone up for a couple minutes and donate the money to charity themselves?


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[Maxie]

CBCB, you didn't only mention John by name you wrote:
They’ve got a new guy to ruin their reputation now, his name is Jon Potter.
Maybe you should think twice before you make comments like that on a open forum like this.
We now understand that you had a personal problem with him.
The John Potter I know is a really nice and knowledable guy.

[GraphicDisorder]

What kind of money are people spending to get screens with welded cups?

[CBCB]

CBCB, you didn't only mention John by name you wrote:
They’ve got a new guy to ruin their reputation now, his name is Jon Potter.
Maybe you should think twice before you make comments like that on a open forum like this.
We now understand that you had a personal problem with him.
The John Potter I know is a really nice and knowledable guy.

I have a business problem with Jon Potter. I reached out to MHM directly to get the info I need to make a decision on my next press.

He made it personal my sending me a personal message on Facebook. And then my communication with MHM mysteriously stopped. Strange coincidence.


EDIT: and now, today my phone has a bunch of calls from England which I can only assume is MHM. So my communication has mysteriously started again. Strange coincidence.

[1964GN]

What kind of money are people spending to get screens with welded cups?

I "think" we were at $16 per screen, 425 screens total so it ain't cheap.

[lancasterprinthouse]

What kind of money are people spending to get screens with welded cups?

I "think" we were at $16 per screen, 425 screens total so it ain't cheap.

Any idea what the pins cost for rollers? Wasn’t sure if you saw the pricing during your conversion or not.


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[1964GN]

Yeah, I have no idea what the cost is for rollers. Sorry!

[lancasterprinthouse]

Yeah, I have no idea what the cost is for rollers. Sorry!

All good. This conversion has been interesting to watch and has me seriously considering MHM for our next upgrade/move. The dudes at Monster Press have a big hand in that for us as well.


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