Cleaning roller frames

[RICK STEFANICK]

Man, I just hate that this came up on a public forum.

[Maxie]

Take it easy, it was not mentioned anywhere where the frames were from.
Lets keep the TSB a friendly place.

[3Deep]

Take it easy, it was not mentioned anywhere where the frames were from.
Lets keep the TSB a friendly place.

While this is true, you don't make open jabs knowing that this person is on the same forum with you, unless that is what you intended to do in the first place, dissatisfactions can be done in private and worked out between the parties, and yes it can go both ways.  Sometimes we all run off at the mouth before thinking and now we type before thinking, but these guys are professionals and I'm sure will work it all out

[screenprintguy]

Take it easy, it was not mentioned anywhere where the frames were from.
Lets keep the TSB a friendly place.

While this is true, you don't make open jabs knowing that this person is on the same forum with you, unless that is what you intended to do in the first place, dissatisfactions can be done in private and worked out between the parties, and yes it can go both ways.  Sometimes we all run off at the mouth before thinking and now we type before thinking, but these guys are professionals and I'm sure will work it all out

Exactly Darryl, and in all fairness to me, mutual friend or friends have already been told, maybe off forum, but still. and the Buff the frames comment I made, bottom line is he knew the frames had glue from tape on them, I told him that, as you can easily see. You want to know what our shop looks like, thats cool, you are welcome to come here any time. Just ask Dirkdiggler, Antony Sharples, Dave Filip, aka Bimmrider, Doug from Shirt shack and more, Rick Davis, Rich Hoffman, Ryan Moor. I can name them on and on. We aren't the biggest shop by any stretch, but with 3 autos, running most weeks 6 days a week. Our focus is on our final print, customer deadlines and customer satisfaction. Not babysitting the metal part of a frame. When a stack, like the 30 you got are ready for re-stretch, our screen guy cleans them down to the metal and then we would go from there. You wanted all black bolts, I clearly said they needed cleaning, you said ok, now this. A jab is a jab, and yeah I take it personal. 15 years, only a couple vacations taken only 1 in 15 years to actually call a vacation the rest industry meetings. So yes, my wife and I are dedicated to our business our employees, and our customers. We don't work for someone else, this is our life. If the jab wasn't made, my comments would have never appeared. So in all fairness like others are mentioning. What's fair is fair. I even offer to take them back. It's no big deal, 30 screens these days is what we go through in a couple hours here, so I can always put them back in the mix, or other people that have been messaging me outside of this forum would take them in a heart beat and would have actually paid what they are worth, which I wasn't even asking for knowing they would need cleaning.

[lancasterprinthouse]

Take it easy, it was not mentioned anywhere where the frames were from.
Lets keep the TSB a friendly place.

While this is true, you don't make open jabs knowing that this person is on the same forum with you, unless that is what you intended to do in the first place, dissatisfactions can be done in private and worked out between the parties, and yes it can go both ways.  Sometimes we all run off at the mouth before thinking and now we type before thinking, but these guys are professionals and I'm sure will work it all out

Exactly Darryl, and in all fairness to me, mutual friend or friends have already been told, maybe off forum, but still. and the Buff the frames comment I made, bottom line is he knew the frames had glue from tape on them, I told him that, as you can easily see. You want to know what our shop looks like, thats cool, you are welcome to come here any time. Just ask Dirkdiggler, Antony Sharples, Dave Filip, aka Bimmrider, Doug from Shirt shack and more, Rick Davis, Rich Hoffman, Ryan Moor. I can name them on and on. We aren't the biggest shop by any stretch, but with 3 autos, running most weeks 6 days a week. Our focus is on our final print, customer deadlines and customer satisfaction. Not babysitting the metal part of a frame. When a stack, like the 30 you got are ready for re-stretch, our screen guy cleans them down to the metal and then we would go from there. You wanted all black bolts, I clearly said they needed cleaning, you said ok, now this. A jab is a jab, and yeah I take it personal. 15 years, only a couple vacations taken only 1 in 15 years to actually call a vacation the rest industry meetings. So yes, my wife and I are dedicated to our business our employees, and our customers. We don't work for someone else, this is our life. If the jab wasn't made, my comments would have never appeared. So in all fairness like others are mentioning. What's fair is fair. I even offer to take them back. It's no big deal, 30 screens these days is what we go through in a couple hours here, so I can always put them back in the mix, or other people that have been messaging me outside of this forum would take them in a heart beat and would have actually paid what they are worth, which I wasn't even asking for knowing they would need cleaning.

Congrats. You made it. $450 is chump change to you. Well it’s $450 to me. 30 frames is a day for you. Great. Don’t care. It’s half a week for me. You want to act like that because it’s a small amount to YOU that it shouldn’t matter. These are trash and any way you shake it I’m out $150 in shipping. I’ve already accepted the loss that’s why the title of this thread is “cleaning roller frames” and not “screenprintguy sold me junk frames that can’t go into production without damaging my exposure unit blanket”. I’m a small shop and these were a waste of money and now will ultimately be a waste of time. What you posted and what I received are totally different and a little heads up that they aren’t anywhere near what you posted would have been courteous. All used frames are not in new condition, obviously, and my frames in production look like what you posted so I was assuming what I was getting would be able to be meshed and thrown into the mix. Your comments about not being clean just made me believe that they were like the ad, which aren’t perfect but easily able to be throw into production. Instead these will easily take an hour a piece to get to the point where they won’t rip my exposure blanket.

I didn’t start this thread to bash the sale but we’re here now so..

PS - they did come with ink all over them. Not that it matters because I can’t use them as is anyways but since you want to split hairs


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[Frog]

I didn’t start this thread to bash the sale but we’re here now so..

Nonetheless, why don't one of you just walk away before it gets any moe contentious.
I'd hate to have to ditch the whole thread, yet also do not want to have to go and pick through the posts to try to sort what stays and what goes.
Let's accept the fact that, for whatever reason, the frames are funkier than you had expected, and you asked for and received good advice on cleaning them.
As you yourself mentioned, this has come up before here, so the situation is not uncommon, and the information is valuable.

[lancasterprinthouse]

I didn’t start this thread to bash the sale but we’re here now so..

Nonetheless, why don't one of you just walk away before it gets any moe contentious.
I'd hate to have to ditch the whole thread, yet also do not want to have to go and pick through the posts to try to sort what stays and what goes.
Let's accept the fact that, for whatever reason, the frames are funkier than you had expected, and you asked for and received good advice on cleaning them.
As you yourself mentioned, this has come up before here, so the situation is not uncommon, and the information is valuable.

Already accepted it. That’s why I started the thread in the first place. I didn’t turn this thread I to what it is but I’m not one to roll over


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[bimmridder]

I'm going to make a hard turn here, and hopefully not derail the thread. I'm also offering an "Old timer's" perspective.

I am 100% Newman Roller frames. I have been for almost my entire printing career. We have somewhere around 650-700 frames. All of them are M3. I won't introduce anything else. I want standards. No guessing, No mixing. (And if anyone is selling M3 frames, I'm always looking for more)

I have (or will have again soon) a person who's job it is to take care of the screens Post Press. Ideally they will bring the screens off the production floor to the reclaim area. They will untape the screens, check for flat, and check tension. If the screen needs to be retensioned, this is when it happens. If the tension is good (to my standards) the screens heads to reclaim. If the tension is low, and there are no nicks or holes to keep us from adjusting tension, it is done here. I am a huge believer in consistent tension within mesh counts. I firmly believe that relative same mesh tensions affects set upi in a positive way. This is just my system. If you know Lon Winters, ask him what he thinks of the way I maintain my screens. He's been here and seen it.

As for "wasting time" stretching....it's not a waste of time here. It's part of the system. The person mentioned above also stretches new screens. We have a little loop that we do. Get a clean frame on the stretching table and put mesh in. Take it up to tension. While that screen is resting at tension, we clean the frame that will be stretched next. Usually takes 5-10 minutes tops. When that frame is ready, we check tension of the screen on the table. It has lost some tension by now, so we take it back up. Tighten it and pull it off. The new screen goes on the table, mesh inserted and inital tension reached. We tape the screen that just came off, and clean the next frame. So it's a nice loop. I know most here will still say it's a big waste of time. Ehhh, I don't really care. Oh yeah, but the way, my shop is FAR from clean.

[lancasterprinthouse]

I am a huge believer in consistent tension within mesh counts. I firmly believe that relative same mesh tensions affects set upi in a positive way.

This is why I use them. When we switched from static our setup times went down. We’re a small shop and every minute counts.


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[bimmridder]

And I'm not trying to change anyone's opinions. I've never won any awards. Just showing my perspective. And how I do things in MY shop

[screenprintguy]

nice spin, again, I'll gladly send you allllllllllllll of the money back that you say you lost. If you really think they are trash, which is hilarious, they have glue from tape, newman roller frame tape, that lots and lots of shops use, maybe a little ink, not gloppy ink, just like in my email explanation. Every dime means a-lot to us, we've lost everything we've ever had to keep our shop alive during the last recession, don't drive fancy cars, our shop is our life, so calling that integrity into question, yeah, I'm going to get a little heated about it. Send them back, you'll get all more money back, and then you can take that money and see how many frames that are like new you'll get. They are almost 70 each new, maybe be able to deal a dealer down to 55 each new if you buy a few hundred at once. I don't nor would I ever take advantage of anyone, the people here that really know my wife and I here, know that, so you can spin all ya want. I'm out. I wish you all the best.

[dirkdiggler]

SCREENPRINTGUY IS ONE OF THE GREATEST AND HONEST MEN WALKING THIS EARTH!  Most here know him personally!  He would have bent over backwards to help anyone and NEVER F*%K anybody!  This is a fact!  ROLLING WITH YOU MIKE TILL THE DAY I DIE!

[lancasterprinthouse]

nice spin, again, I'll gladly send you allllllllllllll of the money back that you say you lost. If you really think they are trash, which is hilarious, they have glue from tape, newman roller frame tape, that lots and lots of shops use, maybe a little ink, not gloppy ink, just like in my email explanation. Every dime means a-lot to us, we've lost everything we've ever had to keep our shop alive during the last recession, don't drive fancy cars, our shop is our life, so calling that integrity into question, yeah, I'm going to get a little heated about it. Send them back, you'll get all more money back, and then you can take that money and see how many frames that are like new you'll get. They are almost 70 each new, maybe be able to deal a dealer down to 55 each new if you buy a few hundred at once. I don't nor would I ever take advantage of anyone, the people here that really know my wife and I here, know that, so you can spin all ya want. I'm out. I wish you all the best.

I’m taking you up on the offer. Can’t do anything with these. I’ll need 3 labels.


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[Biverson]

nice spin, again, I'll gladly send you allllllllllllll of the money back that you say you lost. If you really think they are trash, which is hilarious, they have glue from tape, newman roller frame tape, that lots and lots of shops use, maybe a little ink, not gloppy ink, just like in my email explanation. Every dime means a-lot to us, we've lost everything we've ever had to keep our shop alive during the last recession, don't drive fancy cars, our shop is our life, so calling that integrity into question, yeah, I'm going to get a little heated about it. Send them back, you'll get all more money back, and then you can take that money and see how many frames that are like new you'll get. They are almost 70 each new, maybe be able to deal a dealer down to 55 each new if you buy a few hundred at once. I don't nor would I ever take advantage of anyone, the people here that really know my wife and I here, know that, so you can spin all ya want. I'm out. I wish you all the best.

I’m taking you up on the offer. Can’t do anything with these. I’ll need 3 labels.


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I'll take them. Ship them to me. Serious. I've got a a ton of Newman's but they're old M3's. I had to have Newman make me the holders as the table I got had the holders for the new MZX's. The M3's are beastly. I'm also a skip and a hop from Dave so if he's interested might swap them out and then talk to him on the M3's. That way you're happy, they're off your hands, and Mike doesn't have to turn them around again.

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[Nation03]

I definitely agree that consistent tension helps setups. Other than control of the tension, I think the Shurloc frames are the happy medium between s-thread statics and rollers. Those panels stretch to a pretty consistent tension without the added maintenance of the rollers. I was fine with the s-thread statics but since that mesh is so sensitive and prone to nicks/holes, I like being able to pop in a fresh panel right away as appose to waiting on new static frames to get re stretched. I'm a small shop as well and the majority of my jobs are run on 150 and 180 mesh. It's nice to have less space taken up by screens and just having a stock of high mesh panels that I can throw on when needed and then pop back off when I don't. Everyones situation and circumstances are different but this is what works for me. Not taking sides here, I totally see the pros/cons to all the frame options. I don't think there is a right or wrong frame to use, as long as it fits in with your shops workflow and produces the quality you're happy with.