Water based white

[Pangea]

What's everyone's go to for water based white these days (mostly cotton)? I started out using the Green Galaxy Comet White and wanted to see if anyone has suggestions when this gallon is up.

[RICK STEFANICK]

Mine has been cci d-white the last 4 years but we are currently testing the new Aquarious discharge white and colors.They are the only Pantone approved series so we are hoping for great results considering all of or Retail clients

[ebscreen]

new Aquarious discharge white and colors.

Keep us updated. A single pigment system for wb/discharge/hsa seems ideal.
And at the very least, rumor has it that the Rutland pigs will be going away at
some point. For shame.

[ericheartsu]

new Aquarious discharge white and colors.

Keep us updated. A single pigment system for wb/discharge/hsa seems ideal.
And at the very least, rumor has it that the Rutland pigs will be going away at
some point. For shame.

i think most manufacturers are. We use matsui or virus pigments in matsui ink for HSA/DC/WB

[RICK STEFANICK]

new Aquarious discharge white and colors.

Keep us updated. A single pigment system for wb/discharge/hsa seems ideal.
And at the very least, rumor has it that the Rutland pigs will be going away at
some point. For shame.

I do love the Rutland PS pigments and they have been around so long the formulas are close matches.

[tonypep]

RT is working on a highly sophisticated wb/pc  program that will work with all bases. That may phase out the current system which is actually quite good.

[ZooCity]

OP- for an HSA White?  If so, we like Matsui Stretch White here.

We use Rutland WB99 PCs to tint all wb/dc/hsa bases.  There's nothing special about the PCs, they are simply available reliably, consistent enough to reproduce mixes and function acceptably overall.  Years of our formulae are built with the system.

Is Rutland really going to '86 them?   I guess I don't see the point in "updating" pc systems unless I am ignorant to some technological advancements in aqueous, concentrated pigment systems or major shifts in global supply chains for the pigments or components.

[RICK STEFANICK]

RT is working on a highly sophisticated wb/pc  program that will work with all bases. That may phase out the current system which is actually quite good.

ITS also integrated into the polyone softwear for formulas. For plastisol we have a DM4 but will be hand mixing these. 

[ebscreen]

With Wilflex/Polyone buying Rutland I wouldn't invest too much in them for the future, unfortunately.
Looks like it's the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius.

We use the Rutland PS pigments with CCI d-base premium, and have basically since they came out.
Even though we mix companies for base/pigment I never even thought of using them for HSA.
Derp.

[Pangea]

OP- for an HSA White?  If so, we like Matsui Stretch White here.

We use Rutland WB99 PCs to tint all wb/dc/hsa bases.  There's nothing special about the PCs, they are simply available reliably, consistent enough to reproduce mixes and function acceptably overall.  Years of our formulae are built with the system.

Is Rutland really going to '86 them?   I guess I don't see the point in "updating" pc systems unless I am ignorant to some technological advancements in aqueous, concentrated pigment systems or major shifts in global supply chains for the pigments or components.

Looking for a new HSA for everything that won't discharge. We've been printing a lot of canvas panels that get sewn into tote bags so we're running through our current white and want something...better. Thanks for the suggestions, looks like I'll end up with a Matsui.

[RICK STEFANICK]

We use the Rutland PS pigments with CCI d-base premium, and have basically since they came out.
Even though we mix companies for base/pigment I never even thought of using them for HSA.
Derp.
yep That was my exact set up for waterbase discharge. Now though with the zodiac-aqu with the same pigments being used in all bases including the HSA AND SOFT BASE its a new direction in regards to product. We are starting with the DC White and the Discharge base/pigments before venturing into the other bases.  With the quick white and high meshes were getting by on the plastisol side as far as color and hand but the other bases will follow once the discharge in our cycle.

[ebscreen]

Looking for a new HSA for everything that won't discharge. We've been printing a lot of canvas panels that get sewn into tote bags so we're running through our current white and want something...better. Thanks for the suggestions, looks like I'll end up with a Matsui.

For a standalone HSA white I like the CCI Pure-White. Has quite a bit more opacity than the Green Galaxy product, for us anyways.

[tonypep]

Any input with regards to Virus products?

[Pangea]

Looking for a new HSA for everything that won't discharge. We've been printing a lot of canvas panels that get sewn into tote bags so we're running through our current white and want something...better. Thanks for the suggestions, looks like I'll end up with a Matsui.

For a standalone HSA white I like the CCI Pure-White. Has quite a bit more opacity than the Green Galaxy product, for us anyways.

Good to hear that too, switched to their black and it's been great. Curious about the Virus too.

[ebscreen]

We tested all the Virus stuff when it first started showing up in the states. I was largely unimpressed by it at the time,
particularly the white. HSA can be a bear with dry-in and that stuff was a grizzly. Their foil adhesive is the jam however.

That's not to say it/we haven't changed, and we should probably give it a whirl again. Availability isn't that
great here however, and unfortunately that has a big play in what we use.