Who has the best bang for the buck in autos?

[RICK STEFANICK]

all that being said, all great points. who else offers a revolver program other than M/R? I miss having a auto with that program.That to me is a super big selling point. It really helps with the multiple round jobs some of us get because of limited budgets and available print heads.. .

[Nation03]

MHM has an optional twister program, which I believe is the same thing as the revolver program. Not sure how they got around that patent. I guess since they are an overseas company?

[inkman996]

who else offers a revolver program other than M/R?

I could tell you but I would probably get sued or something 

[Prosperi-Tees]

LOL thats a good one. Isn't the revolver program just a fix for poor pre press planning or am I missing something. It seems the need to have a program like that would basically cut production in half where in that time you could fix the problem with needing the revolver program in the first place.

[Nation03]

I think the whole idea of the program was to help multicolor jobs on a small auto. So instead of having 2 white screens you can p/f/p/f the under base. Definitely would slow production down, but still faster then manual printing.

[inkman996]

LOL thats a good one. Isn't the revolver program just a fix for poor pre press planning or am I missing something. It seems the need to have a program like that would basically cut production in half where in that time you could fix the problem with needing the revolver program in the first place.

No it has nothing to do with poor press planning, as already mentioned for us with smaller number print head presses the revolver system is a great program.

I ran a javelin with a flash back for many years and I can tell you the same job on the jav versus on a press with a static flash and revolver program the revolver is still almost twice as fast as the shuttle flash.

[GraphicDisorder]

LOL thats a good one. Isn't the revolver program just a fix for poor pre press planning or am I missing something. It seems the need to have a program like that would basically cut production in half where in that time you could fix the problem with needing the revolver program in the first place.

If you dont have enough print heads, it can be a savior.  Nobody wants to or plans to run in revolver I don't think.  But let me put it in context you can understand. 

Even if you have to use revolver.  A single operator on a auto can run faster than 2 people on a manual can, at least that's how its been for us.  Shelly can be out there running a revolver job and I will come in and do some design work or run the embroidery machines, we will be out putting more than we used to together on a manual and still getting extra work done.

Revolver is a tool, not the rule. 

[Prosperi-Tees]

Maybe I need to see it in action cause I dont get it. This is what I picture. Am I like way off?

Print 1st color - head 1
Flash-               head 2
cool down          head3
print 2nd color   head 4
Print 3rd color   head 5
Print 4th color   head 6
Flash-               head 2
Print 5th color   head 3                     

[Nation03]

I guess you could set it up like that, but you still probably wouldn't want to print right after the second flash unless your dwell time is really slow. I think the sequence of the program will depend heavily on the type of artwork.

[Screened Gear]

The revolver or MHM's multi print is used many ways. It gives you more control and options on how to use your press. Its not about speed. It can save you if things start going wrong on a print run and you need to break up wow prints with a flash.

Examples:

Printing a small run 2 color job.
Print the white flash print the white on the second with a top red.

large multi color jobs with one flash
Sometimes you don’t want to print more than a few colors wet on wet. 6 color job print underbase flash 2 color wet on wet then flash and then run them back around to print the final 3 colors.

[blue moon]

The revolver or MHM's multi print is used many ways. It gives you more control and options on how to use your press. Its not about speed. It can save you if things start going wrong on a print run and you need to break up wow prints with a flash.

Examples:

Printing a small run 2 color job.
Print the white flash print the white on the second with a top red.

large multi color jobs with one flash
Sometimes you don’t want to print more than a few colors wet on wet. 6 color job print underbase flash 2 color wet on wet then flash and then run them back around to print the final 3 colors.

while we do not have the multiprint option, I see it useful on very small orders needing the P/F/P. So, under 36 pieces it is faster to spin it around twice than it is to burn two screens. At some point in time when the press time becomes much more valuable and the time needed to prep and reclaim screens gets shorter, we might burn two screens for those orders, but it does not sound like it will be any time soon . . .

pierre

[RICK STEFANICK]

I would even manually print between cycles..it will beep 4 indexes befor it needs to be loaded and unloaded giving time to run over and load /unload it.The program takes out the need to turn heads on and off as explained.so much less stress. It also will allow you to run a cool down round if there is no coold down after the flash. excellent program.

[alan802]

LOL thats a good one. Isn't the revolver program just a fix for poor pre press planning or am I missing something. It seems the need to have a program like that would basically cut production in half where in that time you could fix the problem with needing the revolver program in the first place.

Having read the answers about the revolver program and agreeing with them, I can say that it is often used as a fix for many different things that could have been done differently/better in pre-press to avoid using the program.  Now before some of you come after me, hear me out.  It is a great benefit for those 6 and 8 color autos and those of you who are using it on a 6 color quite often are probably doing things correctly and you simply have to run the press around more than one revo.  Also those 8 color autos will need to use it often on those 5 and 6 spot color jobs.  If you are using the revolver program on a 10 color machine for 5 and 6 spot color jobs then yes, you are doing things poorly somewhere along the line.

I try everything in my power to not use it on our machine, but inevitably we do have to a handful of times a year.  It's not a feature that I care whether or not it's on a machine that I buy.  During the first few years that I printed, due to poor technique and knowledge of screen printing, I had to run 4+ color jobs around more than one revolution on our 8/12 color auto all the damn time.  I got quite good at doing the revolver manually and if we have to do it now on a job, it's very easy for me to accomplish with our press.  Sure, it would be easier to set it and forget it with a program within the press, but I can say that I've not misprinted a shirt in many years doing the manual revolver.  And the time I saw the revolver being used in person, I saw that my manual way of doing it was faster than the programmed version but I don't know if the person had the program set up correctly.  The way the guy was doing it was he was completely removing all the shirts on the press before starting a new cycle.  I would think that if you do it correctly, you could just load a shirt on the empty pallet and the revolver starts all over without any interruption. 

[Nation03]

Yeah, that doesn't seem right that he was unloading everything. I've seen a few videos of the revolver, and the person would remove the finished garment, and then load a blank one right after.

[GraphicDisorder]

Yeah, that doesn't seem right that he was unloading everything. I've seen a few videos of the revolver, and the person would remove the finished garment, and then load a blank one right after.

But it wont print, at least it doesnt on ours.  It has to finish the cycle.  Not a huge fan of that, but we don't use it that often either so its not a huge deal.