Rutland Discharge white plus as underbase for plastisol?

[zanegun08]

If someone does not have all the colors in Discharge, could Plasticharge Color mixes and Discharge White last work?

This would work fine as well.  And I prefer water base discharge over pre-mix plasticharge white but it's been about 8 years since I've used plasticharge so maybe the white has improved?

I used to do this all the time with plasticharge as it is a great product in my opinion if your customers aren't super picky about colors being "perfect".  We don't use plasticharge here since we don't have high opacity ink, but I think it is a great product that maybe we should look at again since we do Mixopaque now after printing for Custom Ink.

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If someone does not have all the colors in Discharge, could Plasticharge Color mixes and Discharge White last work?

This would work fine as well.  And I prefer water base discharge over pre-mix plasticharge white but it's been about 8 years since I've used plasticharge so maybe the white has improved?

I used to do this all the time with plasticharge as it is a great product in my opinion if your customers aren't super picky about colors being "perfect".  We don't use plasticharge here since we don't have high opacity ink, but I think it is a great product that maybe we should look at again since we do Mixopaque now after printing for Custom Ink.

Reason I had asked was I had printed a small all Plastisol job on Black Gildans.  The print was 2 colors with a White halftone underbase and two top colors (Union Ultrasoft inks).  In order to get a decent print (opacity), it took too many passes and came out heavier than I liked, but was passable.  I had the same 2 colors in Union Maxopake.  After the job was done, I mixed them up (60% Maxopake Ink, 40% Ryocharge, 4% activator by weight) and printed with NO underbase on the same Black shirts.  I thought they came out great....AND...were very soft after washing. 

I have not done a lot of this (Plasticharge/Ryocharge), but wanted somebody's opinion as to how that would fare going up against straight discharge inks printing.

I feel Plasticharge is a very viable solution.....as long as the ink has a heavy Pigment load.  I had tried, unsuccessfully, to use Union Ultrasoft with the Ryocharge and the colors were too muted to be used, not enough Pigment. 

I've not gotten into waterbase yet.

Thanks for the reply.   

   

[zanegun08]

I have not done a lot of this (Plasticharge/Ryocharge), but wanted somebody's opinion as to how that would fare going up against straight discharge inks printing.

A good plasticharge print is indistinguishable from a water base discharge print in my opinion after washing both in my opinion.  I prefer less than 50/50 like you said below so the colors pop a bit more and don't mute out as much.

Also, it is cheaper than doing plastisol + underbase as long as you don't mix way more than you need, you can bill it the same if you had printed an under base and make more money.  And I'm pretty sure it is cheaper than water base discharge as well.

Save yourself a world of hurt, and get good at printing plasticharge   We don't use it at our shop, but it is historical, and not because it isn't a great product.

[BrazosDesigns]

Hi all....

A while back I bought out someone's ink when they went out of business and it included a couple of quarts of plasticharge and about 3 quarts of discharge base.  I've been wanting to try it, and this discussion has got me ready to try..

Couple of questions:
CCI Discharge base + Wilfex Rio top = good combination?
or
40% Ryonet plasticharge mixed with 60% Wilflex Rio?

Pros and cons of the above? 

I do have quite a bit of Union Ultrasoft and Maxopake, but I like the low cure properties of the Rio and am about to pull the trigger on the gallon kit of that.  I know the discharge/plasticharge aspect will negate the low cure aspect, but the softness will be worth it on the real dark shirts or picky customers.  I have a 3609 dryer with forced air, so water base and discharge is no problem.

Thanks for any comments!

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Hi all....

A while back I bought out someone's ink when they went out of business and it included a couple of quarts of plasticharge and about 3 quarts of discharge base.  I've been wanting to try it, and this discussion has got me ready to try..

Couple of questions:
CCI Discharge base + Wilfex Rio top = good combination?
or
40% Ryonet plasticharge mixed with 60% Wilflex Rio?

Pros and cons of the above? 

I do have quite a bit of Union Ultrasoft and Maxopake, but I like the low cure properties of the Rio and am about to pull the trigger on the gallon kit of that.  I know the discharge/plasticharge aspect will negate the low cure aspect, but the softness will be worth it on the real dark shirts or picky customers.  I have a 3609 dryer with forced air, so water base and discharge is no problem.

Thanks for any comments!

I can only speak on the Union products. 
No to Ultrasoft - it does not have enough of a pigment load. 
Yes to Maxopake.  The percentages match to my post but only for Maxopake.

[RICK STEFANICK]

ok why not just run straight up discharge on the entire design?

navy-200
red- 200
lt blue -200
white- 160
no flashes

We dont have a complete mixing kit for the PMS colors used.  Also Im going into discharge wiith baby steps.  UB first with plastisol top, and then ill start plying with all discharge...

Ijust feel your going to have more issues with the DCbase , flashing and curing than all DC.