Water Filtration/Settling Tank?

[mimosatexas]

I've been reading a bunch of threads related to getting together a filtration setup and we are going to go with two 20 gallon bins under the sink linked by angled pvc toward the top with the cheapo filter media over the opening just below the sink drain to catch tape and strings of emulsion.  these will basically be our rough settling tanks.  I am planning on pumping the water from the second bin into a 55 gallon drum, then pumping/filtering that water into the actual drain. 

I am kind of in a rush on this due to some delays in our move and was just wanting clarification/confirmation on what kind of pumps I should be using.  Lowe's/Home Depot have $100 submersible automatic sump pumps that seem like they will work, but didn't know if that was over kill (they are rated at a much higher gpm than I can actually output from my pressure washer) and I could get something cheaper on amazon prime instead.

EDIT: https://www.amazon.com/WAYNE-EEAUP250-Automatic-Electric-Removal/dp/B00502AIUU/ref=sr_1_1?s=kitchen-bath&dd=4PUZ1y9A4Stkr4tyHtYGLQ%2C%2C&ddc_refnmnt=pfsd&ie=UTF8&qid=1524756575&sr=1-1&refinements=p_n_feature_keywords_browse-bin%3A5032404011%2Cp_96%3A10155283011 this is what I am finding at home depot and same day on Amazon.  There are $15 vs $100 options, but they aren't automatic.  Seems like the automatic would be a good idea, but maybe it isnt necessary.

As for the filtering before the final drain, any thoughts on specifically what to buy?  I just don't have time to research all this stuff before we need to get up and running, even if it isnt ideal.  Anything I can grab from a local big box or amazon prime would be awesome.

Thanks in advance for the help!

PS 8/10 Sabre arrived tomorrow!  Cannot be more excited to finally have an Auto.

[blue moon]

we have two half drums (55 gallon kind) trimmed on the top so they fit under the washout booth. Everything drains into first tank, then through a pipe (on top) moves over to second drum and from there it drains (Again from the top) into the ryonet filtration unit. The unit on it's own gets clogged almost instantly, but with two drums it works great. We wash the screens once per day and change the filters every few weeks. Water coming out of this is very clean as it filters down to 20 micron level. Super happy with it!

pierre

[ericheartsu]

we have two half drums (55 gallon kind) trimmed on the top so they fit under the washout booth. Everything drains into first tank, then through a pipe (on top) moves over to second drum and from there it drains (Again from the top) into the ryonet filtration unit. The unit on it's own gets clogged almost instantly, but with two drums it works great. We wash the screens once per day and change the filters every few weeks. Water coming out of this is very clean as it filters down to 20 micron level. Super happy with it!

pierre

we had a similar system, but we found it impossible to dispose of our solids correctly with 55 gallon drums like this. We are switching to 130 gallon low profile totes, that our rep from Saati showed us. they will then go into the ryonet filter.

BTW Pierre, your video on your filtration process, along with Greg's are super helpful!

[CBCB]

Would love to see the setup with the totes!


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[mk162]

My first take is don't waste your money on the pump.  Get a Zoeller or Liberty.  I have 2 pumps in my basement and that is all I would ever use.  They are super quiet and last forever.

Go to a plumbing supply place like Ferguson.

Or check this one out:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0009TCDZ2/ref=sspa_dk_detail_5?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B0009TCDZ2&pd_rd_wg=UsGqZ&pd_rd_r=WN1AZPS5RNY1SVSGM141&pd_rd_w=qYdnH&smid=A1PTZTHYRQJ1CT

A heck of lot less one star reviews.

[Doug B]

  You might want to check your ordinances where you are also. Some places require filtration
down to a certain micron of solids before it can go down the drain. I believe our area
is 8 or 10 microns. Whatever it is, there is a hefty fine if you don't comply.

[ZooCity]

Revamping our system this year. 

My conclusion is that if you can run the waste water from all your washout booths to a large, central settling and filtration system you'll come out ahead.

We don't have the space for a central system, looking at 2x of the ryonet under sink tanks myself.  Pierre's setup sounds right for us.  However, why not have these units spec'd with an additional two settling tank chambers from the get go?  Then you have one cohesive unit that could be wheeled out and serviced.  My jury rigged setups sometimes do and sometimes don't hold up to regular maintenance.

[Sbrem]

We have a Blackline system, works well.

Steve

[blue moon]

we have two half drums (55 gallon kind) trimmed on the top so they fit under the washout booth. Everything drains into first tank, then through a pipe (on top) moves over to second drum and from there it drains (Again from the top) into the ryonet filtration unit. The unit on it's own gets clogged almost instantly, but with two drums it works great. We wash the screens once per day and change the filters every few weeks. Water coming out of this is very clean as it filters down to 20 micron level. Super happy with it!

pierre

we had a similar system, but we found it impossible to dispose of our solids correctly with 55 gallon drums like this. We are switching to 130 gallon low profile totes, that our rep from Saati showed us. they will then go into the ryonet filter.

BTW Pierre, your video on your filtration process, along with Greg's are super helpful!

https://youtu.be/SJ-p2M_1MJo?t=80

[GKitson]

Couple of things to remember regarding this subject.  You must understand and comply with the regulations in place in your location.

• Contact the local POTW (Publicly Owned Treatment Works) for information about your discharge,
  Make the local POTW representative your friend and advocate, they almost always want to learn about doing the job correctly.
  Solids may or may not be a problem
  Color is almost always a problem.
  pH MAY disrupt their treatment process
  Dilution is ALMOST always the solution.
  You still have disposal problem with retained/removed settled solids.
  Solids can usually go into the dumpster if made non leachable, check with your provider.
  You must understand and comply with the regulations in place in your location.
  

My 2 cents

[mimosatexas]

Ended up just building a quick two bin system with a sump in the second bin. Only filter currently is a cheapo furnace filter. The eater is surprisingly clear just from that guy and the settling action, but I'm still going to add the 55 gallon drum and actual filtration next week. Ill look into the regulations as well.

Any ideas on which filter?

Edit: https://www.homedepot.com/p/DuPont-Heavy-Duty-Whole-House-Water-Filtration-System-WFHD13001B/203440182?cm_mmc=Shopping%7CG%7CBase%7CD26P%7C26-9_WATER_TREATMENTS%7CNA%7CPLA%7c71700000033850303%7c58700003919643949%7c92700031584485657&dclid=CMXoyNTP2toCFQTDwAodyCcPYQ

Would a pair of these with different micron bags work?

[Maff]

Congrats on the Auto!!!

Greg is right on.  It's the only way to know for sure that you're waste water is being disposed of correctly.
We hired a consultant to help us figure out our waste water when we moved into our new shop last year.  We are on a septic system which is whole other ball game in our area.  But our system is likely overkill for anyone that has a public sewer system.

This paper media roll will work well to catch the big stuff
https://www.ccidom.com/us/en/products/water-filtration/filter-media-roll/
We get ours through Ryonet, but may also be available through Nazdar
We cut it into sheets, overlap 2 of them onto a big home made metal mesh strainer that covers the top of the barrel 

I would definitely get an automatic sub pump, the buckets will fill fast and spilling over will be no fun. The heavy duty pump will last longer and pump through the filters easier. 

We've been building / customizing / modifying our own filtration systems for years.  We used to use a settling tank style, but now in our new shop we built a Flocking system.  It's sort of modeled after CCI automated clear water system, but we do it manually.

We first completely clean the ink off our screens with rags and the rags get dried out separately.

All of our dirty reclaim water gets pumped into a 35g bucket and we add Flock to it, manually stirring it on and off for 15 min.  The flock collects all of the junk and settles at the bottom leaving the remaining water pretty clear. Then we drain that into our paper media over top which catches the saturated flock. The flock gets dried out and becomes into little clay rocks and can be disposed as solid waste . 

The remaining clean water gets filtered through a large 2 stage whole house filter which steps from 1 micron down to 0.5 micron. At this point the water is clean enough to go down our drain. 

We are currently trying to collect the end water into 2 more 55g drums which will then be pumped back into our pressure washer and essentially have a closed loop recirculating system. 

We're also going to try and clean the ink off in the system, the flock should catch the ink as well, but we haven't tried yet.

All that said, it's pretty laborsome and takes an extra half hour every other day to keep up. As we grow we'll consider the automated system that CCI makes.  Or consider just getting our waste water trucked away by company to dispose of. After this year we'll start breaking down all the costs. At the moment we're spending almost $100 a month on flock .  But all in all I'm really happy with it and know that if anyone shows up at my door we are on the right side of things.

[Maff]

Ended up just building a quick two bin system with a sump in the second bin. Only filter currently is a cheapo furnace filter. The eater is surprisingly clear just from that guy and the settling action, but I'm still going to add the 55 gallon drum and actual filtration next week. Ill look into the regulations as well.

Any ideas on which filter?

Edit: https://www.homedepot.com/p/DuPont-Heavy-Duty-Whole-House-Water-Filtration-System-WFHD13001B/203440182?cm_mmc=Shopping%7CG%7CBase%7CD26P%7C26-9_WATER_TREATMENTS%7CNA%7CPLA%7c71700000033850303%7c58700003919643949%7c92700031584485657&dclid=CMXoyNTP2toCFQTDwAodyCcPYQ

Would a pair of these with different micron bags work?

Yeah that whole house filter will work fine.  You can add a second one to it and then just step down from a 25 micron to a 5 micron to start off and see how that goes. We like the string wound filters, they seem to filter better. But we get ours on Amazon, Pentek .  the water flow will slow down drastically once they are full.
You may also want to put a one way valve on the infeed of the filters, so when the sub pump kicks off the remaining water in the line doesn't just flow back into the bucket.

[Prince Art]

Ended up just building a quick two bin system with a sump in the second bin. Only filter currently is a cheapo furnace filter. The eater is surprisingly clear just from that guy and the settling action, but I'm still going to add the 55 gallon drum and actual filtration next week. Ill look into the regulations as well.

Any ideas on which filter?

Edit: https://www.homedepot.com/p/DuPont-Heavy-Duty-Whole-House-Water-Filtration-System-WFHD13001B/203440182?cm_mmc=Shopping%7CG%7CBase%7CD26P%7C26-9_WATER_TREATMENTS%7CNA%7CPLA%7c71700000033850303%7c58700003919643949%7c92700031584485657&dclid=CMXoyNTP2toCFQTDwAodyCcPYQ

Would a pair of these with different micron bags work?

Yes. Post-pump, I use a couple of generic canisters (aka filter housing) that take 9-7/8 " filters. (Similar to Blackline unit). Check these out:
75 micron https://www.filtersfast.com/P-Hytrex-GX75-9-78-75-Micron-Sediment-Filter.asp
20 micron https://www.filtersfast.com/P-Watts-FPMB20-978-Sediment-Filter.asp
FYI: This is one of the few places I could find this type (polypropylene fiber), and the prices are very good. BUT- don't expect speedy delivery. I don't understand the site's sourcing/supply chain, but sometimes it takes awhile to get the product. So if you buy here, order plenty at a time, and order again before you run out!

You can order housing canisters here, too.

You'll still want to filter/settle as much out of the water pre-pump as possible. Undisolved emulsion solids will gunk these up in a hurry.

[blue moon]

careful with the pumps. Some are made of material that breaks down with the chemicals we use in reclaim. Find something that is listed as chemical resistant. We had one break after about 12 months and found out that some are made with stainless housing and cost an arm and a leg more. . .

pierre