short bodied white inks. looking for a suggestions. . .

[blue moon]

Is Phoenix pthalate compliant?

Damnit why am I asking. We're sticking with Quick. We're sticking with Quick. We're sticking with Quick.

huh, you got me thinking now! Damn, I think you are right, it is not!

pj

[Homer]

yes it is - you have to order the 1701 PF, they make 2 versions. it is a little pricey, but we had 4 different whites and can go down to one,  so in reality the cost is not an issue at all.

http://triangleink.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/1701-PF.pdf

[blue moon]

yes it is - you have to order the 1701 PF, they make 2 versions. it is a little pricey, but we had 4 different whites and can go down to one,  so in reality the cost is not an issue at all.

http://triangleink.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/1701-PF.pdf

ahhh, cool! Now I have to check and find out which one I ordered!!!

pierre

[alan802]

I thought you were ok with qcm 158 and mixing a little soft hand in with it as necessary?  That's what I'm still doing and just got a new 5 gal bucket in and it has a little stiffer consistency but is still predictable to print.

I like the 158 and 159, 159 is more opaque and probably more suited for our style of printing but when I was adding the soft hand, the opacity was suffering more than I wanted, then I just get into the mode where I don't want to have to mess with every gallon, I want it good right out of the bucket.  If I could find the right additive to reduce the squeegee climb without affecting the opacity I'd probably stick with the 159.  Curable reducer doesn't do it, soft hand clear kills the opacity and I don't really have a supplier for Wilflex right now so I can't try the fashion base, but it seems like all of the additives reduce the opacity a noticeable amount.  It is a good fast flashing ink but such a PITA to work with.

The more we start talking about the phoenix, the more I want to just go back to it.  It's really solid, and the Triangle Excel is almost identical but different smell and more bleed resistance but pretty pricey for using as an all purpose white.

[Mr Tees!!]

I am using the same QCM inks, But I stir in a little NON-CUREABLE reducer. Yes, be careful with the percentage and by all means TEST. You cant use much of this stuff at all, almost just a splash in each gallon...but because you are using very little it has minimal effect on opacity. It give the ink just enough shearability and wont climb as badly.

[ZooCity]

Well shucks, we're happy with Epic Quick but I'm gonn try a sample of Phoenix PF before this 5er runs out, can't help myself.

Is Phoenix more or less matte after cure than Quick?  I like the matte finish myself and quick is pretty good in that dept. 

[jsheridan]

  I like the matte finish myself and quick is pretty good in that dept.

FYI, if you want to make an ink matte, add Dulling Paste by Wilflex. You simply add it to the ink and it will dull the finish. DullPaste QEC Dulling Paste:
Add up to 5% by weight to reduce gloss.

[ZooCity]

  I like the matte finish myself and quick is pretty good in that dept.

FYI, if you want to make an ink matte, add Dulling Paste by Wilflex. You simply add it to the ink and it will dull the finish. DullPaste QEC Dulling Paste:
Add up to 5% by weight to reduce gloss.

I'll check it out.  WFX Epic had been fairly matte in finish across the board so far though.  Anyone know what Dulling Paste actually is and how it alters the ink?  Colin, you still around?

[Homer]

I have a gallon of the wilflex dulling paste, it's like grade school paste. I had to make a matte red, and I think I used over 1/4 of a gallon before I saw any results. I had better luck adding a bit of puff. Zoo, if you want some try try, I will scoop you a cup.

When I get to the shop, I will grab a print form the pheonix and see if it passes for matte, I like it matte too, so it must not be gloss or I would have said something. I have some quick here too, I will make a print and compare.

[Prosperi-Tees]

P -if you got to triangle's website, you can fill out a form and get a free sample. i have a gallon here as a sample I have yet to try. Last time I opened a gallon of Phoenix white it was so thick I couldn't mix it, that was a few years back.

http://triangleink.com/request-free-sample/

I am a member of the "white of the month club". . I hate white inks, I never know what to buy. I am a different printer than you so my suggestions are irrelevant.

Has anyone got a reply or their free sample yet?

[Denis Kolar]

Has anyone got a reply or their free sample yet?

I got a pint of Phoenix White few weeks ago

[blue moon]

we had a chance to test the Phoenix. It is exactly what we were looking for, but it has phthalates. 
We did get a bucket of the PF to try out and will give it a shot this week. First impression just by looking into the bucket, it exhibits all the right signs. The ink is definitely not gooey like most other PF inks we tried.

pierre

[Lizard]

Pierre,

We have used Streetfighter inks for years and have had great success.  I would worn you though from using a low bleed ink for all of your printing.  One day you will experience ghosting and your whole order will be ruined.  Plus low bleed inks do not print as easliy as cotton inks so you are really fighting yourself. 

A couple of suggestions with the non phthalate inks.  If the image area is small and little ink is getting used up only a small amount of ink in the screen and keep adding.  The heat will cause the ink to gum up in the screen like clay then you will have to stop the press and clean/scrub out the screen.  This is for most colors, especially colors that contain a lot of white.  Also, against traditional wisdom, more off contact is your friend.  Non phthalate inks are very sticky and tend to have a lot more buildup so we have better success with higher off contact than we used with the old inks.

With the volume of inks you are using I would recommend have Cotton, Low Bleed, and Super Poly inks on hand. 

[Shawn (EIP)]

8 years in the biz still haven't found a white I've been excited about but I do like Excalubur 50/50 for poly blends.

[jsheridan]

With the volume of inks you are using I would recommend have Cotton, Low Bleed, and Super Poly inks on hand.

Yepp!!