short bodied white inks. looking for a suggestions. . .

[blue moon]

P -did you ever try the PF Phoenix white? I have a sample quart,  have yet to crack it open. We still like the phoenix, it's expensive, but worth it. We will see how it holds up in the cold weather we are getting here, so far it's really creamy, shears like a magic and I am sure the new rollers are helping out too.

really liked the phoenix, it printed great. If I wasn't looking for PF ink , it would be my first choice. 'did not get a chance to try the PF version yet. Will post something when we do. I just might wait and try it when Rick gets here.

pierre

[Screened Gear]

Hey Andy, have you tried the (Epic) Quick? I admittedly haven't tried it manually
but I used to love the regular Quick through a 180, and the Epic seems even softer on the auto.

Also in local thread hijacking news I convinced Denco to bring in some more CCI stuff.

I assume that Epic is their compliant ink.
Never Quick, for the last couple of years, I have used their Artist on cotton.
However, the last order I made from another Wilflex distributor didn't have it or Wilflex's suggested alternative (whatever it was, so I went with the Xenon for both 50/50 and cotton.
Once I put the whack on it with reducer or soft hand base, it doesn't climb as badly, but I still prefer getting inks locally or at least from someone with a reasonable minimum for shipping.

I was happy with IC Low Vis 774, but it's discontinued. Two attempts at obtaining samples of their suggested alternatives were fruitless.
Perhaps I'll also look into CCI plastisol if that comes into Denco.

Frog,

You can order Direct from CCI. Shipping for you should be next to nothing. Almost all of my Chemicals are from them. I get alot locally but I did do an order directly from them. I know their distributors don't like that they sell to us directly.

[Prosperi-Tees]

I had a CCI rep call me yesterday and is supposed to be emailing a price list but have not seen it just yet.

[Frog]

Frog,

You can order Direct from CCI. Shipping for you should be next to nothing. Almost all of my Chemicals are from them. I get alot locally but I did do an order directly from them. I know their distributors don't like that they sell to us directly.

Next to nothing on a gallon of ink is still going to be at least $12, even from SoCal.
I get free delivery from my CCI dealer, Denco, or a close-by pick-up when needed.

I am presently using their SG-2 Press Wash, Liquid Re-Nuit, PFX-HV Emulsion, and SR-97 Spotting Fluid. The emulsion came from them directly on a 2/1 deal, so the shipping was justified.

I may be calling on Monday and seeing what they have as ink samples.

[RICK STEFANICK]

pierre, i currently run the streetfighter white and pheonix. i have been using pheonix white for 20 years on and off. kevin up at triangle is a super guy and will give you great direct pricing. they also have the best black i have ever used called BATMAN BLACK.

[Denis Kolar]

How is Streetfighter for manual printing? Anyone have any experience?

Frog.
Printed about 50 shirts last night with StreetFighter Cotton. I like it.
White on black, 155 mesh, PFP comes out pretty nice.

I had to adjust a bit (Higher angle, closer to 90 degrees to the palet  /   )  but after that, last 40 shirts went smooth.

I will try the LB next.

[blue moon]

pierre, i currently run the streetfighter white and pheonix. i have been using pheonix white for 20 years on and off. kevin up at triangle is a super guy and will give you great direct pricing. they also have the best black i have ever used called BATMAN BLACK.

thanx! I do like the Phoenix, but we are still to test the Phathalate free version. I also had a chance to talk to somebody from Rutland and they gave me some tips on what to try. Rick did not make it last week (family emergency) so we will do the testing when he gets here.

As far as black ink, I've tried several and am very happy with the Unimatch from Union. It is part of the mixing system, but it also covers very well and is easy to print with. Some inks I tried did not work very well when printed on top of other inks so we are sticking with this one. Thanx for the heads up though!

I should also give a shout out to Tance for working with me and being very helpful all around. He provided the Phoenix and PF Phoenix whites. We also found the on press screen wash we will be ordering from him from now on.

pierre

[Shanarchy]

Anyone know how the Rutland street fighter compares to QCM 158/159 or Wilflex epic quick white on the auto?

Thanks!

[tonypep]

I switched from Epic Quick to SF and haven't looked back. Everyones different though

[Frog]

Rutland contact for samples?
Then I need to find who deals. Not crazy about the semi local dealer since they bought out my old guy.

[tonypep]

Tony Chapman from Rutland is in Pineville, NC. He's who I talk to but he's hard to get a hold of. Use the 800 on the website.
If not just try cust svc. They should hook you up with a W/C supplier. BTW they are rolling out a new opaque product for Tri blends called HSV.
Rick Stefanik tipped me off about it.

[Frog]

Tony Chapman from Rutland is in Pineville, NC. He's who I talk to but he's hard to get a hold of. Use the 800 on the website.
If not just try cust svc. They should hook you up with a W/C supplier. BTW they are rolling out a new opaque product for Tri blends called HSV.
Rick Stefanik tipped me off about it.

Thanks Tony. I'm out of the Rutland loop. I haven't used Rutland in more than seven or eight years. They used to warehouse on the peninsula and supply through Screen Printing Products in San Ramon, way back when, Then SPP began to stock almost everything, but then they moved to Benicia, then sold out to Screen Printers Resource, which then moved to Hayward, and now Dave is just an equipment dealer with his old company name back.
Whew!

DK just reminded me that our buddy Lance and Calibrated deals Rutland.  Since his stuff is all stocked "virtually" anyway, his shipping is reasonable.

[Prosperi-Tees]

Hey Frog, I dont know where I read it but I think I read that Dave is making a comeback into the supply business.

[alan802]

Anyone know how the Rutland street fighter compares to QCM 158/159 or Wilflex epic quick white on the auto?

Thanks!

I have used a ton of the SF LB, 158 and 159 recently.  The 159 is the most opaque out of them all, but it's not worth using on the auto.  Squeegee climber of the year award for the 159.  I like using the SF over the qcm's because of the climbing issue isn't near as bad on the SF, but it doesn't cover quite as good as the 159.  It's on par with the 158 in opacity actually, without the climbing.

[ZooCity]

So is the QCM ink out there actually being produced by Rutland now or is it just back-stock everyone's going through?  It appears that Rutland figured out and, from the sound of it, improved the rubber-based formula. Not sure about plastisol.

A white just for fuzzy-ass ring spun blends?  Sounds like our dream ink.  Will definitely be checking that out.

I have a sample request for some phthalate-free Phoenix.  Now we play the waiting game.....

For now, I'm sure that Epic Quick isn't the best thing on the block necessarily but it gets 'er done admirably on most jobs.  Nice hand to the finished print but it could be just a little whiter in my opinion, I miss that about 159.
What does Street Fighter LB improve upon compared to Quick?  And is Rutland consistent?  That's what I really like about Wilflex- every batch is the same so far.