Favorite White for Fleece Hoodies?

[XG Print]

What is everyone's favorite white for fleece hoodies that are 50/50.  We have got to mind something with a little better mat down than the poly we have been using.  Thinking about trying Wilflex Quick White.  What is your favorite for a good smooth hoodie print?
Thanks

[Frog]

On 50/50, I'm pretty happy with International Coatings 7014 Legacy. Poly seems like overkill.

[Colin]

Inks to Try:

The Quick White you mentioned
Rutland Street Fighter Low Bleed
One Stroke Hybrid Fast Flash
Synergy low bleed/poly white

One Stroke and Synergy are short bodied inks and print very clean with light pressure.  Rutland is a little longer bodied but very opaque.  I have not used quick in a number of years.

You can also try a flattening screen after your flash to help tap down the fibers.  Just be really careful... some whites are VERY tacky right after the flash regardless of whether it was correctly flashed.

Some things to double check.  Proper eom so you get a good ink deposit.  Squeegee sharpness, the sharper the better for best ink shear.  Off contact, if your screen is to close you may not be getting proper ink shear and ink clear.  Screen tension, make sure they are tight enough to snap off of the thicker garment.

Good Luck!

[mooseman]

Just a note on Quick white, i was thinking about switching from Bright Tiger to Quick as the Quick prints really nice based on a sample I tried. I talked to Poly One and they only recommended Quick for blends if the cure temps were closely managed at 330 degrees. We typically exit much higher than that Poly One tech recommended against the quick white in my situation....just FYI.
mooseman

[RICK STEFANICK]

We use wilflex epic quick white and for bad bleeders we run a barrier base with the epic quick on top. It's priced right, The results are great. Remember the end result is what matters the customer doesn't know or care if your running 100.00 a gallon one stroke or 60.00 epic quick.

[ZooCity]

Just a note on Quick white, i was thinking about switching from Bright Tiger to Quick as the Quick prints really nice based on a sample I tried. I talked to Poly One and they only recommended Quick for blends if the cure temps were closely managed at 330 degrees. We typically exit much higher than that Poly One tech recommended against the quick white in my situation....just FYI.
mooseman

It may get a little bubbly if over 330 and with the way they are dyeing blends these days the Quick has a hard time blocking migration at higher temps on certain fabrics that it handled easily in the past.

Quick is the ink we use on fleece as it's our only LB white and has been for many years.  It's the consistency that really keeps me with the ink.  I think we had maybe one issue with one batch over this whole time period.   I think it's an excellent standalone white but can sometimes give you some guff as a UB in certain settings.

[dirkdiggler]

we run quick everyday for over 10 years, works like a charm.  Legacy is also good.

[Northland]

Just a note on Quick white, i was thinking about switching from Bright Tiger to Quick as the Quick prints really nice based on a sample I tried. I talked to Poly One and they only recommended Quick for blends if the cure temps were closely managed at 330 degrees. We typically exit much higher than that Poly One tech recommended against the quick white in my situation....just FYI.
mooseman

It may get a little bubbly if over 330 and with the way they are dyeing blends these days the Quick has a hard time blocking migration at higher temps on certain fabrics that it handled easily in the past.

Quick is the ink we use on fleece as it's our only LB white and has been for many years.  It's the consistency that really keeps me with the ink.  I think we had maybe one issue with one batch over this whole time period.   I think it's an excellent standalone white but can sometimes give you some guff as a UB in certain settings.

.... I like Quick White for fleece also. I can tell if I cured it a little to Hot, when it gets a glossy shine to it. A few seconds on a heat press (with craft paper) will usually bring it back to matte.
I've only had dye migrate a couple times.... in both instances it was on Black youth hoodies, that turned the White ink to a light pink. I've been assuming they started life as Red and were over-dyed to make them Black Is that possible ?

[ebscreen]

It may get a little bubbly if over 330 and with the way they are dyeing blends these days the Quick has a hard time blocking migration at higher temps on certain fabrics that it handled easily in the past.

18500 and F497 get poly white now. Quick used to be fine on them but I saw some blacks start to shift a couple years back
so we switched over. The 18500 fabric in particular has really gone down hill.

[ZooCity]

It may get a little bubbly if over 330 and with the way they are dyeing blends these days the Quick has a hard time blocking migration at higher temps on certain fabrics that it handled easily in the past.

18500 and F497 get poly white now. Quick used to be fine on them but I saw some blacks start to shift a couple years back
so we switched over. The 18500 fabric in particular has really gone down hill.

We have been performance underbasing most blends with standard inks on top.  The new perf white is improved for this application, it doesn't get cranky about the higher cure temp.

[ebscreen]

We have been performance underbasing most blends with standard inks on top.  The new perf white is improved for this application, it doesn't get cranky about the higher cure temp.

I hear ya. It's hard enough to get exacting exit temps on fleece, but add in late sequence flashes and multiple presses and forget it.

We should probably dabble in the newer whites coming out, a Wilflex tech was here a while back and showed us a bunch of stuff
that looked really impressive. But I'm a bit of a curmudgeon when it comes to fixing what isn't necessarily broken.

I'm hoping mills start to fix their broken dyes instead. I've been pretty impressed with the Posi-charge stuff from Sanmar.
Really impressed actually.

[ZooCity]

I think the mills are dropping their dye temps to get a softer hand on the blends and it's leading to some of the dyes migrating much more.  We've seen a yellow cast almost exclusively.  Upping the dye tech would be very nice and Sanmar gets a fist pump from me for dye spec that fits the imprint method.  No idea why that isn't the standard for garments made for the embellishment industry....

Right there with ya- nothing from any mfg has appealed to me enough to try swtiching, not really interested in the one stroke type product unless they have an ink with better characteristics than quick.  I do appreciate them upgrading some of the inks as they go though and would love to see a version of Quick w. more dye blocking. 

[mk162]

Ok, I thought I was going crazy...as if fleece weren't bad enough.