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Offline ZooCity

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Tooling Size for Printing with 25x36 Frames
« on: June 07, 2017, 08:38:59 PM »
What do you use?

For us, 19" wide tooling makes the most sense.  However, that's not a standard tooling size.  Looking at going to 20" platens with 18" blades but I hate running smaller blades than the platen for some reason.

We print an advertised max image of 17x20 using s mesh statics with blockout from GSF on an s.roque Eco at this format size in case that matters.

Thanks in advance.


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Re: Tooling Size for Printing with 25x36 Frames
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2017, 12:23:31 PM »
On our 25" x 36" frames our template for CTS (Spyder) is maxed out at 19" x 28" however so the squeegee and flood bar have room at the bottom the max image size is around 24 inches.  However if something is more than 17/18" wide and tall we typically go films and do it on a 30" x 40" frame.

We fortunately don't do a ton of super oversize prints, I dread the day when that comes back into fashion.

As far as tooling, we have 20" x 30" pallets, so on the smaller sizes the shirts have to really be stretched over the pallets.  And for squeegee size, it really depends on the art, ideally your squeegees don't go over the edge of the pallets as you'll get the lines on the side of the shirts from the pallets worse that way.  We have a bunch of different sizes but mostly either an 18" squeegee if it fits the art, but if needs to be bigger on a 25" x 36" we'll usually go up a screen size as a 20" squeegee / winged flood bar leaves like 1.25" on either side of the screen and the frame.

18" blade, and calling a 17" x 23" max print size if your press can accommodate would be the best bet.  You don't want the hassle of trying to squeeze out an extra inch, 17" wide is a damn big image, wrapping under the armpits, and 23" is like the full front of the shirt.

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Re: Tooling Size for Printing with 25x36 Frames
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2017, 12:32:21 PM »
What do you use?

For us, 19" wide tooling makes the most sense.  However, that's not a standard tooling size.  Looking at going to 20" platens with 18" blades but I hate running smaller blades than the platen for some reason.

We print an advertised max image of 17x20 using s mesh statics with blockout from GSF on an s.roque Eco at this format size in case that matters.

Thanks in advance.

Could that reason be that you like the pressure line this can create? LOL!
I think that Zane noticed the same thing
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Re: Tooling Size for Printing with 25x36 Frames
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2017, 01:55:15 PM »
The ROQ 20" winged floods don't fit in 25x36" Newmans, which is our standard.

Like Zane anything over 17" wide or so goes on 30x43" frames.

Probably better that way.

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Re: Tooling Size for Printing with 25x36 Frames
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2017, 02:10:54 PM »
Yeah Frog that must be what it is! 

Zane, I totally agree on imageable area with this screen size- 17" w. is the max on a 25"w. static frame if you want to successfully register multicolor art imo.  The tension dynamics of a static frame can cause mis-registration and frustrate print pressures at the perimeter of the art if you try and go bigger.  I imagine a roller would be a bit more forgiving here since the mesh technically "ends" further outboard of the frame, assuming the press is front/rear clamping, but for statics 17"w is our limit.

Also agree that anything over that belongs on a 30"w frame.  FYI, your spyder will (supposedly) image a 30x40 frame, there's just an upfront expense for the big drum which is spendy due to the machinery needed to correctly mill the drum at that format.  We mulled it over and decided not to invest in that tooling until we get strong requests for that image size.  For me it's the bigger the sweet spot the better, up to a point of diminishing returns with cost.

I doubt we'll use the 17x20 print size on Ts very often, this is more for bandanas and such.  Our T orders typically run down to XS and that's topping out at 12-13" for an imprint that doesn't look weird. We get the same thing from clients who often think they want a 17"w image on Ts but don't understand that most art will look pretty bad when worn at that print width, not to mention your run would have to start at sz M/L. 

For us, we run tooling that is 2" wider than the max width.  This is to accommodate rounded squeegee corners, blade dynamics, press differences, etc.   So it follows that a 17"w image would print with 19" platens and blades.  I don't like blades printing too close to the edges of statics and I don't like having less that 1" on either side of the tooling wider than the image unless I'm running a smiling jack.

So 18" blades/floods and what size platens Sean? 


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Re: Tooling Size for Printing with 25x36 Frames
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2017, 02:29:20 PM »
Having run 18" platens for years, I would beat the crap out of someone for suggesting I need to run 20" platens and print adult smalls.
18" is a big enough PITA, and will give you extra soreness in the middle of your back from stretching shirts. 

Just a couple pennies.  :)

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Re: Tooling Size for Printing with 25x36 Frames
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2017, 03:02:46 PM »
We got 20" platens/hardware to max out plastisol print size (flashes) but in reality have used our all-over platens more.
It's a weird size as you're precluding most adult smalls, etc. Right now we're trying to keep them fleece ready if you know what I mean.

The ~17" wide prints go on our MHM's, who must have had the forethought of 25x36" being a common size, as their hardware
all fits for ~18" (metric) platens.