USA Elections, whaddya think?

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I see this as dangerous, especially the last part. Number one, you have no idea how to run an insurance company. Number two, neither does the government. Number three, how much someone else makes should be none of your concern. Perhaps it is too much government regulation (which of what you want more of) that drives up prices.

For example. You sell shirts.

Let's say you sell them for $20 each (retail) and the government stops by and says, "Hey kid, you're no longer in the shirt business, we feel you've been charging too much, so we're gonna have the government start producing shirts from now on."

Or let's say you sell them for $15 each (retail) and you decide that you want to sell them for $20. The government swoops in and says NOPE, $15 is the cap because we've decided you're making too much money. But, but, but, I'm working 80 hours a week and have rent, utilities, advertising, etc you say. DOESN'T MATTER, $15 is it, we can't be having people going around making too much money.

Now extrapolate that to any other business. Might seem like a silly argument, but that's how I feel when you try to argue for the government getting more involved in our lives. Silly.

The only one that should determine how much you make or do not make is YOU. That's what makes this the land of opportunity.

The overwhelming public response to  Mr. Martin Shkreli's maneuvers would indicate that the majority of humans do not agree with you.

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What's really funny is all this hoopla over a guy that hasn't even been sworn in yet.  At this point everything he's looking to accomplish is speculation.  I think the left should give him a chance instead of riot in the streets, light crap on fire, smash windows and block traffic.

He's already promising to repeal Dodd-Frank. And this isn't a "campaign promise".

Who does this benefit?

And no, the sky does not fall over night. Nothing in politics moves quickly. But given the chance to take crap gambles
at no risk of their own you can bet banks too big to fail are chomping at the bit.

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What's really funny is all this hoopla over a guy that hasn't even been sworn in yet.  At this point everything he's looking to accomplish is speculation.  I think the left should give him a chance instead of riot in the streets, light crap on fire, smash windows and block traffic.

We are discussing what the guy campaigned on and what congress has promised to do.  Should people sit by quietly and not be upset when they say "we are planning to do something you don't want" until after they do it?

I don't see anyone condoning destroying property or being violent except the people doing it...  I understand the anger and fear, but not the reaction.

On the other hand, prior to the results of the election Trump himself said he would not accept the results and I saw countless comments on social media talking about marching on Washington and starting a revolution if he lost by his supporters.  He himself called for revolution after Obama was elected in 2012 on his twitter...so?

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Dodd-Frank, yeah, the banks are still too big to fail and Hillary is in their pockets.  Dodd-Frank has harmed small banks.  That is the idea of crony capitalism, create laws that you can afford to comply with while your competition can't, therefor you effectively eliminate them.

To all the liberals.  Name one thing the government does better than the private sector.  And you can't name something OUR government has made it illegal to do in the private sector either...like mail delivery, road construction(this is usually contracted out anyway), military, etc.

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Dodd-Frank, yeah, the banks are still too big to fail and Hillary is in their pockets.  Dodd-Frank has harmed small banks.  That is the idea of crony capitalism, create laws that you can afford to comply with while your competition can't, therefor you effectively eliminate them.

To all the liberals.  Name one thing the government does better than the private sector.  And you can't name something OUR government has made it illegal to do in the private sector either...like mail delivery, road construction(this is usually contracted out anyway), military, etc.

So repealing Dodd-Frank benefits Joe Bill the roofer whose questionable mortgage was gambled on by B of A?
Isn't that how we got to that wonderful place the last time? It's weird but since the worst economy in history save the
great depression we haven't had any more of those kinds of things happen. We should totally change that.

And to answer your question, libraries. And universities. Though TU probably was a quality institution....

[inkman996]

What's really funny is all this hoopla over a guy that hasn't even been sworn in yet.  At this point everything he's looking to accomplish is speculation.  I think the left should give him a chance instead of riot in the streets, light crap on fire, smash windows and block traffic.

He's already promising to repeal Dodd-Frank. And this isn't a "campaign promise".

Who does this benefit?


Well I assume congress is well rested and ready to work hard and fast since they  haven't done anything in 8 years.
And no, the sky does not fall over night. Nothing in politics moves quickly. But given the chance to take crap gambles
at no risk of their own you can bet banks too big to fail are chomping at the bit.

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The overwhelming public response to  Mr. Martin Shkreli's maneuvers would indicate that the majority of humans do not agree with you.

So if you think someone is a douche he shouldn't be able to make money? Got it.

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So if you think someone is a douche he shouldn't be able to make money? Got it.

Yeah, the public was clearly upset at the fact the dude is a douche, and not that he bought the patent for and raised
the price 10,0000x of a drug that was helping people. Nothing gets by you. I'm sure his current legal predicament
is a result of his douchieness as well.

Here, I'll spell it out for you in small words. When you try and take ad-van-tage of shitty sit-uat-ions
like people's health in order to ben-e-fit your own wealth people get upset. There's a common
morality there that you don't do crap like that. It's skeezy.

[mimosatexas]

Dodd-Frank, yeah, the banks are still too big to fail and Hillary is in their pockets.  Dodd-Frank has harmed small banks.  That is the idea of crony capitalism, create laws that you can afford to comply with while your competition can't, therefor you effectively eliminate them.

To all the liberals.  Name one thing the government does better than the private sector.  And you can't name something OUR government has made it illegal to do in the private sector either...like mail delivery, road construction(this is usually contracted out anyway), military, etc.

I'll just go ahead and say our definitions of "better" will differ quite a bit here, but I think government does tons of stuff better than the private sector.  It is "better" at pretty much every single thing that benefits the public as a whole vs executives and shareholders.  Thinks like protecting the environment for example.  I think the EPA probably does a better job of that than coal companies, don't you think?  Hell, I'm arguing we should have a public option for healthcare because I think government would be better at that than insurance companies as well. 

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Dodd-Frank, yeah, the banks are still too big to fail and Hillary is in their pockets.  Dodd-Frank has harmed small banks.  That is the idea of crony capitalism, create laws that you can afford to comply with while your competition can't, therefor you effectively eliminate them.

To all the liberals.  Name one thing the government does better than the private sector.  And you can't name something OUR government has made it illegal to do in the private sector either...like mail delivery, road construction(this is usually contracted out anyway), military, etc.

So repealing Dodd-Frank benefits Joe Bill the roofer whose questionable mortgage was gambled on by B of A?
Isn't that how we got to that wonderful place the last time? It's weird but since the worst economy in history save the
great depression we haven't had any more of those kinds of things happen. We should totally change that.

And to answer your question, libraries. And universities. Though TU probably was a quality institution....

My local 5 branch bank had to sell out because they would have had to spend 600k a year to comply with all the regulations. Less competition hurts everyone.

Bank of America and others didn't cause the recession. Irresponsible people who took out mortgages for way more than they could afford weren't able to repay the money.

Greedy banks just accelerated the decline. You do realize liberal government programs like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mostly contributed to this in the first place. They back the mortgages and then created a secondary market for them to be traded on. Maybe if the banks had more skin in the game they would be more careful about who they loan money to.

But people are never responsible for their own actions. And government is just so great at everything they do.

[inkman996]

Just look at countries where they do not spend money on anything, infrastructure, police, education etc. If you really think we are so bad off here in America you truly do not know what it is like to live in most of the other nations in this world.

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So if you think someone is a douche he shouldn't be able to make money? Got it.

Yeah, the public was clearly upset at the fact the dude is a douche, and not that he bought the patent for and raised
the price 10,0000x of a drug that was helping people. Nothing gets by you. I'm sure his current legal predicament
is a result of his douchieness as well.

Here, I'll spell it out for you in small words. When you try and take ad-van-tage of shitty sit-uat-ions
like people's health in order to ben-e-fit your own wealth people get upset. There's a common
morality there that you don't do crap like that. It's skeezy.

He raised it 560% or 56x. Douche move for sure. But the government you think does such a great job at everything controls the patent system that allowed him to be capable of this (legally) in the first place.

Hmm...but that's none of my business.

But go ahead, keep talking in your condescending tone like you think you're better.

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He raised it 560% or 56x. Douche move for sure. But the government you think does such a great job at everything controls the patent system that allowed him to be capable of this (legally) in the first place.

Hmm...but that's none of my business.

But go ahead, keep talking in your condescending tone like you think you're better.

Right, and you're of the impression that given free reign people will regulate themselves and not pull skeezy crap like that to the detriment of others?
I mean hell, the drug in question was an HIV related medicine. You know, something that helps people who've contracted god's just wrath? And yet
even the religious right was calling for his scalp.

I'm beginning to think you don't believe there's anything wrong with what he did, and that given a similar situation, you would do the same.
You know, because you and yours come first.

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He raised it 560% or 56x. Douche move for sure. But the government you think does such a great job at everything controls the patent system that allowed him to be capable of this (legally) in the first place.

Hmm...but that's none of my business.

But go ahead, keep talking in your condescending tone like you think you're better.

Right, and you're of the impression that given free reign people will regulate themselves and not pull skeezy crap like that to the detriment of others?
I mean hell, the drug in question was an HIV related medicine. You know, something that helps people who've contracted god's just wrath? And yet
even the religious right was calling for his scalp.

I'm beginning to think you don't believe there's anything wrong with what he did, and that given a similar situation, you would do the same.
You know, because you and yours come first.

You got me all figured out, right?

When the debate is lost, slander is the tool of the loser.

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Slander what?

I'm saying that I couldn't sleep at night knowing people were literally dying at the cost of my second yacht.
I know that makes me a bleeding heart liberal but I guess I'm okay with that. At least I can sleep.

And you?