Shimmers on 50/50 tend to bleed?

[Frog]

Someone wants to throw in a few 50/50 (or 60/40) tanks in an order. Black shirts, Gold shimmer (IC)
I was not going to underbase as many seem to prefer the look of straight P-F-P with these.

Should I expect a problem with dye migration?

[jvanick]

We just had issues with this on 100% poly... had to underbase with bleed blocking base...

Total shocker...

[Frog]

I was afraid of that, but of course, poly can be worse than 60/40 especially if the Poly is Red or red-related, and the blend is not.
So, you also would rather do these without an underbase? PFP through a 140 or 160?


I have an IC tech who is supposed to be calling me back.

[tiffany]

We just had issues with this on 100% poly... had to underbase with bleed blocking base...

Total shocker...

But, we did not have any issues on the bella triblend, that went fine. 

[jvanick]

I was afraid of that, but of course, poly can be worse than 60/40 especially if the Poly is Red or red-related, and the blend is not.
So, you also would rather do these without an underbase? PFP through a 140 or 160?


I have an IC tech who is supposed to be calling me back.

This one was black.

Customer complaint was "it was fading"  my response -- how does glitter/shimmer fade?

Unfortunately it was contract printing, so we didn't get to see the end result/issue.

[Frog]

We just had issues with this on 100% poly... had to underbase with bleed blocking base...

Total shocker...

But, we did not have any issues on the bella triblend, that went fine.

And that was p-f-p? What mesh?

[ebscreen]

Yep.

If it's a bleeder it will bleed into shimmer. The additional curing time we like for these inks doesn't help.
We used to have a low-bleed silver but have long forgotten who made it.

The feel of shimmer on a poly blend makes me nauseous so I'm not gonna worry about it.

[jvanick]

Yep.

If it's a bleeder it will bleed into shimmer. The additional curing time we like for these inks doesn't help.
We used to have a low-bleed silver but have long forgotten who made it.

The feel of shimmer on a poly blend makes me nauseous so I'm not gonna worry about it.

try matsui wb shimmer...

on a black underbase.. amazing feeling

heck, Tiffany just did a:

black underbase
flash
silver shimmer
flash
silver glitter

job on poly with waterbase inks and it turned out absolutely amazing.

[ebscreen]

The matsui WB shimmer we tried years ago was really no better than plastisol, possibly worse
in terms of feel. It came direct from Japan then with instructions in kanji. We'll have to give
it another whirl.

[tiffany]

We just had issues with this on 100% poly... had to underbase with bleed blocking base...

Total shocker...

But, we did not have any issues on the bella triblend, that went fine.

And that was p-f-p? What mesh?

Yes, pfp on the triblend, 160s for the shimmer.   


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[Frog]

I spoke with an IC tech, and he suggests a low cure additive, and lower heat longer time, but of course, still a crap shoot as the base has no blocking abilities at all.
I'm talking 'em into making the tanks cotton like the rest of the order!

[ZooCity]

The matsui WB shimmer we tried years ago was really no better than plastisol, possibly worse
in terms of feel. It came direct from Japan then with instructions in kanji. We'll have to give
it another whirl.

Same experience.  The plastisol actually feels better.  Also didn't want to clear a 90/71 mesh without a fight....

I've seen shimmers printed straight to good quality, not especially migration prone 50/50s bleed out in the longer haul which is what really bothers me since nobody sees it for the first month or more.

These inks are clear particle base with shiny flakes and maybe a dash of pigment so it makes sense.  Underbase if in any doubt. 

[Frog]

These inks are clear particle base with shiny flakes and maybe a dash of pigment so it makes sense.  Underbase if in any doubt.

Point is, these would be six lousy 60/40 tanks added to a cotton order. Not worth the lowbleed underbase screen for that.
They're goin' cotton!

[tpitman]

I printed 20 purple 50/50 blends with the IC gold shimmer today. P/F/P. I've done this job 4 or 5 times before. Print through a 156. I can't say the job stayed in my shop long enough to see if there were any sublimation issues, but they keep coming back for reprints about once a year. I do increase the dwell time because I know with Union's shimmer washout was a problem with undercuring.

[tonypep]

We do thousands for a major fitness brand with a DC/UB and waterbased shimmer. Started out using the LC catalyst but ended up not needing it. Kicks ass.......super soft and superior finish with no bleed