Bulk Platen Adhesive Systems for Fleece

[ZooCity]

Who uses them and give me some pros/cons.  I want to all but eliminate the 1000s of aerosol cans we toss out here, it's totally gross how many we are starting to go through.  The only place we significantly use them anymore is for web tack spray for printing fleece.

Tekmar set us up with a product to tackle all over printing that's bulk (and starch/water based as a bonus) so we knocked down a good grip of cans there but now I'm looking at getting rid of them on press. 

Tekmar suggested their TB-10 bulk adhesive.  We would pair it with their applicators, spray guns hung above the load/unload area.  You build it up and then apply every 1-3 hoodies.  Even if we had to apply every hoodie it would still be faster and more comfortable than using the cans.  I just need to know that it performs to hold the fleece and isn't a nightmare to maintain the pumps/applicators.  We have a sample coming in to test the former but I need some real life production feedback to answer the latter.

To clarify, we roll on wb adhesive for Ts and most all other applications but fleece and certain fabrics that need web or mist can spray respectively.  I'm happy with what we use currently in terms of performance, just looking to ditch the cans.

[Underbase37]

I have NO personal experiences with these systems, we use caned web spray for fleece/hoodies. (Not a fan!)........but.


We are friends with a local shop that uses one of these systems, they have had the system for many years, and have even moved locations, re-hooking it back up. I think they use the same thing for all garments.   I haven't ever heard them make any complaints about it.

I have tried the TB-10, and didn't find it to our liking, i think we may have a gallon still kicking around, it seems very watered down. But to be fair some may like that, so....

I could also see how that maybe best for that type of setup, pumps and all.


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[Maxie]

We use TB 10 for at shirts and love it, I had the cans that spray glue everywhere.
We apply it with a roller.
We unfortunately still use cans for fleece, hopefully someone will make a liquid glue that will work with fleece.

[ZooCity]

Maxie, have you tried the TB10 on fleece?

Underbase, I think that's current,  the TB10 is designed to mist out of a gun so is probably a little runnier. We roll on tex tac here and it's pretty thick which is right for that application.

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[ZooCity]

Maxie, have you tried the TB10 on fleece?

Underbase, I think that's correct,  the TB10 is designed to mist out of a gun so is probably a little runnier. We roll on tex tac here and it's pretty thick which is right for that application.

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[ZooCity]

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[Underbase37]

The one big thing I did notice when hanging out in their shops is, there does seem to be a fair amount of over spray getting on the floor and press. Not sure if that's bc they aren't concerned with this, or if that's just the nature of the beast. This is why we have stayed clear of this type of system, we are very on top of the cleanliness of our shop and these systems seem like they would make that difficult.....maybe not tho.

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[Frog]

The one big thing I did notice when hanging out in their shops is, there does seem to be a fair amount of over spray getting on the floor and press. Not sure if that's bc they aren't concerned with this, or if that's just the nature of the beast. This is why we have stayed clear of this type of system, we are very on top of the cleanliness of our shop and these systems seem like they would make that difficult.....maybe not tho.

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Though it may add a few seconds on each board, application from a gun should be able to be "cleaned up" and overspray contained somewhat with the use of a mask like I have recommended with spraycans for almost ever.

Heck, if one had a spare head, they could rig up a frame with tall sides and back to mask and limit the overspray.

[Maxie]

We dilute a lot and apply the TB 10 with a roller.
Diluted it doesn't hold fleece, I've never tried it undiluted.
Our problem is that we do,quite a lot of small orders and keep switching from t shirts to fleece.
I am getting a new printer this month, I'm thinking of using only roll on adhesive with the new machine.
I'll print with spray on the old machine.

[BorisB]

I know it’s an old thread. Zoo are you happy with Tekmar setup? We went same way, but we are back to rolling TB-10 for t-shirts and spraying for fleece goods.

[RICK STEFANICK]

The big thing with the tekmar set ups is it hits the pallet dry when the guns are set up correctly and correctly is when you really cannot see it coming out. The guns are designed to use the product straight without diluting. Dry is the ticket. Tekmar also makes all her unit that’s sucks up the overspray that sits underneath the unload station these systems work excellent

[ZooCity]

Hey Boris,
We haven't been using ours at all, just for the starch mixture and that's been rare lately.  I still think about it every time we run fleece. What makes you want to roll for Ts?

Rick, I need to put a couple of those vac units on our Christmas list, I like that concept a lot, does it grab finer mist tack out of the air?  That's the big environmental hazard for us, although we rarely need to use mist spray.

[BorisB]

Hey Boris,
We haven't been using ours at all, just for the starch mixture and that's been rare lately.  I still think about it every time we run fleece. What makes you want to roll for Ts?

Rick, I need to put a couple of those vac units on our Christmas list, I like that concept a lot, does it grab finer mist tack out of the air?  That's the big environmental hazard for us, although we rarely need to use mist spray.

We were using TB500 adhesive applicator for years for T-shirts. I wasn't entirely happy, due to mist being everywhere in shop/lungs. Despite using box around pallet (with the cutout for pallet arm), when spraying. Then the TB500 broke and for a a while we were forced to roll the TB10 adhesive. It turned out it lasts way longer than when sprayed, and nothing gets sticky/contaminated. We save a little bit of time with less stops for application and have cleaner working environment.

Yet we still use spray cans for fleece goods. that's what's bugging me most. Not being able to find a way to use  water based adhesive with fleece.

[GaryG]

Hey BorisB, Guys,

After decades of aerosol spay adhesive, we went to Tekmar waterbased carding on, then happily to PMI Dual-Tack pallet tape.
https://www.pmitape.com/dual-tack-pallet-tape

It works wonders for hundreds of tees at a time on our auto, wipe lint with water, go again. Then if fleece are needed we found this waterbased:
https://onestopinc.com/catalog/supplies/SP790

It holds fleece just fine. It's like web spray, but... waterbased. Wipes off with soapy water. NO more mineral sprints or whatever to clean aerosol spray.

Happy press, happy floor, happy crew

[ZooCity]

Yes! A bulk web tack applicator specifically would fit the job for us.

For Ts we roll on TexTac with hot dog foam rollers and squeeze bottle and that works great.