Mixing Systems

[Printficient]

Thoughts on mixing systems.  Anyone using ICC's?  How about the Rutland PC/Base?  Is there such a critter?  How does it perform?  Any others used out there?  Let me know thoughts.  Also, thoughts on their Ink Management Software.
Thanks

[jvanick]

Wilflex epic PC here.  Mix with a bunch of different bases for different needs.

IMS works great, even gives costing info, recycle feature works good if you are meticulous when mixing your initial batch (we rarely use it tho).

IMHO screw Rutland... between their modify everything suggestions to poor quality control, we'll likely never have them in our shop again.  Only product from them that was decent was their discharge, and we've since switched to Matsui with excellent results.

[bimmridder]

You know, Sonny

[Printficient]

Thanks Jason.  Yes Dave I do know Sonny.  He is a know it all blow hard.  Nothing like me .
And it is IC not ICC.  Just saw their system on Nazdra's site and was looking for some info.

[Frog]

Thanks Jason.  Yes Dave I do know Sonny.  He is a know it all blow hard.  Nothing like me .
And it is IC not ICC.  Just saw their system on Nazdra's site and was looking for some info.

To further confuse the alphabet soup of similarly initialed companies serving the screen printing industry(ICC, CCI, IC), IC also uses ICC sometimes as well!
As for mixing systems, I am hooked on Union's Mixopake because I was brought up on Union, and could use it to match their stock colors when needed.
That said, IC is available in town, so over the years, I have supplemented with IC whenever convenient. I have even accumulated some of their mixing components and (and they have even mixed for me in the past). I have nothing bad to say about them, and would not hesitate to use them as my main brand if I were starting over. Then again, my local supplier, Denco, always seems to treat textile screen printing as their second (or third) interest, and often does not have what I want or need.
Of course, no matter what brand we favor, there is always another white to try.

[tonypep]

IC=International Coatings
CCI=Chemical Consultants
Nazdra=Nazdar

[Frog]

IC=International Coatings
CCI=Chemical Consultants
Nazdra=Nazdar

ICC= International Chemical Corporation

[tonypep]

Aahhh but..they don't make ink

[screenprintguy]

Wilflex MX mixing system here. Easy to use, easy to mix, dead on pantone matches, economical rfu components, we dig it! Haven't had good luck with IC inks with wet on wet, but maybe they make different bases, not sure. Wilfex MX mixes all are pretty much ready to go for WOW prints and rarely need a modification, if so a little fashion base helps.

[Frog]

Aahhh but..they don't make ink

Either did CCI back when this same confusion was discussed on the old boards years ago. It's been an ongoing situation of confusion.

And, to further complicate things, in their Manufacturer section, TSPMB listed ICC as standing for International Chemical Consultants, so I don't even know for sure what ICC stands for!

[Frog]

Wilflex MX mixing system here. Easy to use, easy to mix, dead on pantone matches, economical rfu components, we dig it! Haven't had good luck with IC inks with wet on wet, but maybe they make different bases, not sure. Wilfex MX mixes all are pretty much ready to go for WOW prints and rarely need a modification, if so a little fashion base helps.

I don't do the really huge runs others may, but I use IC Soft Hand base with my Union Mixopake and print WOW

[tonypep]

Its Corp Andy

[abmoore]

I've heard good things about both Wilflex and IC systems including RFU and PC. The main difference as far as software for pantone matches is that with Wilflex you have to download the software, and with IC you can just access it on their site.

Here are the links to both if you would like to play around 

IC: http://www.iccultramix.com/families/7/formulas/5646
Wilflex: http://www.polyone.com/products/screen-printing-inks/wilflex-ink-management-software
 

[Colin]

Thoughts on mixing systems.  Anyone using ICC's?  How about the Rutland PC/Base?  Is there such a critter?  How does it perform?  Any others used out there?  Let me know thoughts.  Also, thoughts on their Ink Management Software.
Thanks

Sony:

What are you actually trying to compare?  Trying to put together a good product for Xenon?

[Printficient]

Thoughts on mixing systems.  Anyone using ICC's?  How about the Rutland PC/Base?  Is there such a critter?  How does it perform?  Any others used out there?  Let me know thoughts.  Also, thoughts on their Ink Management Software.
Thanks

Sony:

What are you actually trying to compare?  Trying to put together a good product for Xenon?

No.  Just looking to update my information for consulting.  I am very familiar with Wilflex, Union, WM Plastics, and to some extent Rutland.  Trying to catch back up on the chemistries and print characteristics.  I will readily admit to being a "PC Base" guy.