Matsui Metallic Binder and CCI Pigments

[Hey Monkey]

Would the CCI pigments work to color the Matsui Metallic Binder?

[TCT]

Yes

[Itsa Little CrOoked]

I have not used this metallic binder. Is it pretty slick?

I dislike silver shimmer and similar plastisol metallic products, but haven't found an alternative.

[tonypep]

Waterbased shimmers are softer and shinier

[Itsa Little CrOoked]

Waterbased shimmers are softer and shinier

Ok. 

Are there some very pronounced FLAKY effects that have larger sparkle? I keep a few 60 mesh screens in the rotation, and larger pieces should pass.

I saw a sample of WB metallic on a shirt (from Europe?) that Charlie Taublieb had with him at a seminar in KC. He didn't happen to know how the ink was sourced, but WOWSERS it was sweet! Gold, the metallic effect was quite evident, and as you said, the hand was pretty nice. Don't know about wash fastness....

[jvanick]

next week we'll be printing some matsui waterbase glitter...  .004 particle size if I remember correctly.

I do need to get some of the metallic binder in tho as well, as we normally do plastisol... might as well try something new as we continue to switch to as much waterbase as we possibly can.

[Itsa Little CrOoked]

Is what you are referencing for your upcoming job different than the 301 Metallic Binder?

http://matsuicolor.com/images/metallic301large.jpg


Link Fixed. Duh.

[jvanick]

I believe it's different.. the product we're going to be using is considered their 'glitter base'

which I believe is just a printable rubber binder of some sort.  we have to add the particles ourselves (up to 25% by weight).

-J

[brandon]

Once you go water base shimmer you never go back. And as usual the clean up is a breeze

[Hey Monkey]

Awesome! Thanks everyone!

[Itsa Little CrOoked]

I don't want to hijack this thread, but I just got off the phone with Matsui and I'm more confused than when I started. My vendor has Metallic Binder 301 and I have a quart coming...but he doesn't stock "Glitter Base" previously called "Rubber Base" which is clear.  The product number for that is WS0504. The Glitter Base has no glitter in it at all, and Matsui apparently doesn't sell the glitter, which is added to the base.

I was told the Metallic Binder 310 prints nicely through 156 standard thread size and even finer if S-Mesh.

So Jason, where do you source your glitter for the WS0504 Glitter Base?

[tonypep]

Try Union pre-mix with an optional catalyst which We do not use. Really good product

[jvanick]

northwest graphic (nwgraphic.com) carries the 'glitter/rubber' base as well as the glitter particles.

you can get all kinds of crazy glitter particles from Meadowbrook:

http://www.meadowbrookglitter.com/hiband/size-chart.html

[jvanick]

glitter print from today... not sure why the resized image is showing a screen door effect, but it's not there on the actual print.  24 mesh, 200 microns of emulsion (Saati PHW), Matsui Glitter Base + .004 silver particles.

[Itsa Little CrOoked]

glitter print from today... not sure why the resized image is showing a screen door effect, but it's not there on the actual print.  24 mesh, 200 microns of emulsion (Saati PHW), Matsui Glitter Base + .004 silver particles.

TWENTY  FOUR.  TWENTY  FOUR?!?!?   Letting that soak in.......

YIKES!!!

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