Flat Black Ink

[whitewater]

We use Union Black now. But it does leave a little shine to it when we print.

A new customer wants a flat black in their print.  What do you guys and gals use? and have been happy with?

gracias!

The Rob

[ebscreen]

WB for the flattest mattest blackest black.

Which Union? I always liked their Autoline.

Basically any black based back with your choice of reducing agent will give you a matte finish. How much
you need and how well the black resists fibrillation after washing will depend on the quality of the ink
before modification.

[Homer]

like eb said, wb for the best matt. we used to use triangle batman black but it was a little watery so we switched over to wilflex epic matte black, so far we really like it. I wasn't too fond of the epics when they first came out but they aren't too bad now.


http://sourceone.nazdar.com/P/3154/Epic-Non-Phthalate-Plastisol-Inks---Standard-Colors

[Gilligan]

We use Black Matter from Galaxy... it's better than Union, which we were using before but didn't like it's shinyness.

[blue moon]

try the Unimatch black from Union. best black of the 5-6 I've tried. . .

pierre

[Frog]

There are also dulling agents to add. Depending on amount, from matte to suede effect.
Here's the additive info from IC The one I use is 222 http://www.iccink.com/pdfs/Plastisol%20Additives-10-06-10.pdf

[Colin]

Couple questions:

What mesh count are you printing black through? 

Do you attempt to leave a heavier deposit of black for fibrilation reasons?

Do you over print other colors with your black?

The easiest solution is to add the dulling agent Frog suggested.  However, depending on how you print, it can lead to your print puffing to a small degree.

Let us know.

[ZooCity]

Epic Matte Black is pretty much satin/matte, depending on mesh and fabric.

In a pinch you can use just a bit of puff in there, I think that's all the "dulling paste" is. 

[whitewater]

Couple questions:

What mesh count are you printing black through? 

Do you attempt to leave a heavier deposit of black for fibrilation reasons?

Do you over print other colors with your black?

The easiest solution is to add the dulling agent Frog suggested.  However, depending on how you print, it can lead to your print puffing to a small degree.



all mesh counts w use it on. Not sure of the art for this customer yet. But he did bring in one of his shirts and the black was dull. And when we showed him a sample of something we printed it was more shiney. He does not want that.

Hes pretty picky, but will acommondate getting a black for him.
Let us know.

[Colin]

Chris:  Dulling paste is suede additive.  At the recommended 2% addition, the bubbles pop just a little and breakup the surface area giving it a matte look. 

The Wilflex matte black does this to a small extent.  They have a specific blowing agent in their inks that gives a matte finish.

Whitewater:  If you are going to use a matte black across all mesh counts, I would buy a black specifically made to be matte and do testing across all mesh counts so you know what your prints will look like.

We make our own matte black here (I'm a mad scientist in my off time )  But we only print black through 180+ mesh counts and we drive it into the shirt/print it wet on wet when possible.

[TCT]

In a bind you can use a small amount of suede additive, or even a smaller amount of puff will work.

[Frog]

In a bind you can use a small amount of suede additive, or even a smaller amount of puff will work.

Like I said, Alex, with IC's 222, dulling and suede additive are one and the same

[pwalsh]

Chris:  Dulling paste is suede additive.  At the recommended 2% addition, the bubbles pop just a little and breakup the surface area giving it a matte look. 

The Wilflex matte black does this to a small extent.  They have a specific blowing agent in their inks that gives a matte finish.

Whitewater:  If you are going to use a matte black across all mesh counts, I would buy a black specifically made to be matte and do testing across all mesh counts so you know what your prints will look like.

We make our own matte black here (I'm a mad scientist in my off time )  But we only print black through 180+ mesh counts and we drive it into the shirt/print it wet on wet when possible.

Colin:  Thanks for your posts.  It's good to have someone who is an "Inkxpert" with your experience contributing to the boards.

Peter

[whitewater]

Chris:  Dulling paste is suede additive.  At the recommended 2% addition, the bubbles pop just a little and breakup the surface area giving it a matte look. 

The Wilflex matte black does this to a small extent.  They have a specific blowing agent in their inks that gives a matte finish.

Whitewater:  If you are going to use a matte black across all mesh counts, I would buy a black specifically made to be matte and do testing across all mesh counts so you know what your prints will look like.

We make our own matte black here (I'm a mad scientist in my off time )  But we only print black through 180+ mesh counts and we drive it into the shirt/print it wet on wet when possible.

thanks Buck!

[Colin]

Thank you for the kind words Peter!

And you are welcome Whitewater!