Joy Stick Registration

[mimosatexas]

Yes, I'm aware of the difference.  I have not printed on a BWM Hopkins, but I have printed on a RH (the blue and neon green one).

[jvanick]

Agreed.. I've printed on a BWM Hopkins, and I would think it's closer to a Sidewinder...

[jsheridan]

Riley Hopkins and Hopkins BWM are two very different presses. Not sure if they are being confused. The BWM is much more robust than the Riley

The RH is his original design.. then he took money from BWM for part in his company.. they pushed him out and retained the rights to the design.

He came back and made what we have now.

I'd say the RH was the best press of all time

[Prosperi-Tees]

Riley Hopkins and Hopkins BWM are two very different presses. Not sure if they are being confused. The BWM is much more robust than the Riley

The RH is his original design.. then he took money from BWM for part in his company.. they pushed him out and retained the rights to the design.

He came back and made what we have now.

I'd say the RH was the best press of all time

The original RH is what you are referring to as best of all time. The ones that are being talked about here are the ones Ryonet now own which I would not put that label of best on.

[Frog]

Riley Hopkins and Hopkins BWM are two very different presses. Not sure if they are being confused. The BWM is much more robust than the Riley

The RH is his original design.. then he took money from BWM for part in his company.. they pushed him out and retained the rights to the design.

He came back and made what we have now.

I'd say the RH was the best press of all time

The original RH is what you are referring to as best of all time. The ones that are being talked about here are the ones Ryonet now own which I would not put that label of best on.

Ah, further validation of my "gamer" premise. 

[StuJohnston]

Riley Hopkins and Hopkins BWM are two very different presses. Not sure if they are being confused. The BWM is much more robust than the Riley

The RH is his original design.. then he took money from BWM for part in his company.. they pushed him out and retained the rights to the design.

He came back and made what we have now.

I'd say the RH was the best press of all time

The original RH is what you are referring to as best of all time. The ones that are being talked about here are the ones Ryonet now own which I would not put that label of best on.

Ah, further validation of my "gamer" premise.

Kinda strange considering those who gamed with joysticks are older than most of the people buying newer RH presses.

What I would like to know is what makes a Kruzer a toy.

[Evo]

The very first Hopkins had the slider plate and no micros. They sucked.

Then they went to a lock-down plate and no micros. Slightly less suckage.

Then they had micros. Pretty good. Still had crappy pallet attachment and awkward off-contact adjustment, etc.

Then BWM continued with them, and made improvements. (tool-free adjustments, etc)

The new Riley Hopkins presses are budget versions of the old designs with a joystick gimmick instead of real innovation.

The newer BWM presses are about as good as you will get, while sticking with that back clamp and nylon bolt registration gate design. Well... them and maybe Workhorse.

Personally I'd pick a Sidewinder for it's flexibility in screen size and sampling function to supplement an auto (or better yet a Chameleon), or for smaller format, manual only shop I might even go with a Hix.

[Evo]

Let me clarify:

Sidewinder for every day manual production with sampling

Chameleon for production but more heavy sampling for one or more autos.

Hix for manual only, smaller format production. (if you've ever spun a Hix, you will know how fast a manual printer can go)

[mimosatexas]

What I would like to know is what makes a Kruzer a toy.

In my opinion: nothing, based on 9 months of daily production with it...

Great Micros, built like a tank, uses the same pallet system as M&R autos, sturdy side clamps so you can use rollers, bearing reg gate, etc...

[Frog]

Kinda strange considering those who gamed with joysticks are older than most of the people buying newer RH presses.

I am a little out of touch as I am still an analog pin baller at heart and in practice, but a quick search turned up hundreds of current joy sticks, some costing hundreds of $
Are these not being used with current games and software?

I do have two or three original 2600's somewhere.

[Evo]

Are these not being used with current games and software?

Yeah for flight simulators. Which are only used by old guys. Or terrorists.
 

[StuJohnston]

Are these not being used with current games and software?

Yeah for flight simulators. Which are only used by old guys. Or terrorists.
 

Haha

Yeah and there are still people building mame cabinets and I think there are some niche competitive games that still use clicker joysticks. Otherwise its all about the control pad. I guess you could call the analog stick a joystick, but I personally think that it doesn't feel or work like the kind of joystick that the RH presses have or the flight stick style.

[tonypep]

Some may remember that my old friend Riley is a car guy. Used the manual press company to fund his racing habit. They were quite the company back in the day when they ruled the manual biz. Hence the joystick idea. But yes, it is too sensitive and jumpy. Miss that guy. He's one smooth dude. Pretty smart too.