Anatol Volt vs Javelin Pro

[Frog]

Terry, though I respect your position, your analogy doesn't work.

It's like suggesting I'm good at math so let me do your taxes.  My CPA doesn't need to screen print because he doesn't deal with anything related to it.  You sell the equipment I have to use, there is a larger need for you to have a better understanding of my day to day challenges.

Your company doesn't call a personal injury attorney when you have to sue someone on the forum for whatever reason you guys feel the need to sue someone over.  You get an attorney that knows best about that.

Kinda' like having a shaved ice guy fixing your computer, or printing your shirts, eh? LOL!

[Shanarchy]

Terry, though I respect your position, your analogy doesn't work.

It's like suggesting I'm good at math so let me do your taxes.  My CPA doesn't need to screen print because he doesn't deal with anything related to it.  You sell the equipment I have to use, there is a larger need for you to have a better understanding of my day to day challenges.

Although I will agree it would be wonderful having a seasoned screen printer being a sales rep for an equipment company, I think that is A) wishful thinking B) not always a good thing and C) not needed.

A) Greg Kitson and Rick Roth are probably not going to close their shops to become an equipment sales rep.
B) The printer who becomes a sales rep probably couldn't make it on their own. There is a good chance they may not be that "experienced" person you want to take their advice on.
C) A good sales rep is one who gets you answers to your questions. If he/she doesn't know the answer they don't fake it, they make a couple of calls to find out. They speak to their other customers to compare scenarios, etc. Proper training from a company, and the will to learn from a sales rep can go very far.

Food for thought, the guy who started Progressive was a screen printer.

Personally, I think Brian/Binkspot would make a great sales rep for an equipment company. But the chances of an experienced printer AND tech also becoming a sales rep is not very common.

[Gilligan]

Terry, though I respect your position, your analogy doesn't work.

It's like suggesting I'm good at math so let me do your taxes.  My CPA doesn't need to screen print because he doesn't deal with anything related to it.  You sell the equipment I have to use, there is a larger need for you to have a better understanding of my day to day challenges.

Your company doesn't call a personal injury attorney when you have to sue someone on the forum for whatever reason you guys feel the need to sue someone over.  You get an attorney that knows best about that.

Kinda' like having a shaved ice guy fixing your computer, or printing your shirts, eh? LOL!

Very possible.

For me, I do LOTS of research so I'm pretty well versed before I get into any venture.

Like you mentioned and I have mentioned before.  EVERY time I've gone to car dealership to look at a car I typically know WAY more info than the sales guy.  Does that mean you have to be a race car driver to sell me a car? Nope.  But if you have an intimate knowledge of a car then I will be a lot more likely to trust your recommendation than if you show your ass to me and prove I know more than you with my 30 mins on edmunds.com.

To expand on Frog's analogy, would you really want to buy a dog from someone who has never owned a dog?  They won't really be able to express the needs of caring for such an animal as well as one that is a dog lover.

[Shanarchy]

To expand on Frog's analogy, would you really want to buy a dog from someone who has never owned a dog?  They won't really be able to express the needs of caring for such an animal as well as one that is a dog lover.
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Does this person have the knowledge of the specifics of the dog breed I'm looking at? Do they work at a place where they have proper access to answer any questions I may call with? I'm not asking this person to be my dog nanny, just to give me the pros and cons of this breed. Medical issues they are prone to, etc.

I brought my dog into an emergency vet a few months ago. I spent a lot of money to save my little guy. I never once asked, does this surgeon own a dog. Just does he know what he's doing?

[Gilligan]

Terry, though I respect your position, your analogy doesn't work.

It's like suggesting I'm good at math so let me do your taxes.  My CPA doesn't need to screen print because he doesn't deal with anything related to it.  You sell the equipment I have to use, there is a larger need for you to have a better understanding of my day to day challenges.

Although I will agree it would be wonderful having a seasoned screen printer being a sales rep for an equipment company, I think that is A) wishful thinking B) not always a good thing and C) not needed.

A) Greg Kitson and Rick Roth are probably not going to close their shops to become an equipment sales rep.
B) The printer who becomes a sales rep probably couldn't make it on their own. There is a good chance they may not be that "experienced" person you want to take their advice on.
C) A good sales rep is one who gets you answers to your questions. If he/she doesn't know the answer they don't fake it, they make a couple of calls to find out. They speak to their other customers to compare scenarios, etc. Proper training from a company, and the will to learn from a sales rep can go very far.

Food for thought, the guy who started Progressive was a screen printer.

Personally, I think Brian/Binkspot would make a great sales rep for an equipment company. But the chances of an experienced printer AND tech also becoming a sales rep is not very common.

I agree completely... But, you are talking top artist at the top of their game.

It is possible that a former screen printer realized he was better at sales than he was in the trenches, but still KNOWS the troubles of a screen printer.  I have mixed feelings when my supplier rep tells me he used to run a shop. Part of me thinks like you, "hmm, he couldn't cut it what does he know". But, another, larger part of me says, "this guy understands the struggle first hand".

It's like a separator, you want him to have some sort of hands on in a shop... Even if it was only with his eyes seeing what happens when screen, ink and shirts come together.  If he's only sat in his home and never seen a press then you are less comfortable with his knowledge of dot gain and such.  Not saying it can't be done. I'm saying what makes you most comfortable.  I like hearing a sep artist say, "in my shop we would run this on x mesh blah blah blah" vs here is your channels with pms colors, good luck!

[Gilligan]

To expand on Frog's analogy, would you really want to buy a dog from someone who has never owned a dog?  They won't really be able to express the needs of caring for such an animal as well as one that is a dog lover.

Does this person have the knowledge of the specifics of the dog breed I'm looking at? Do they work at a place where they have proper access to answer any questions I may call with? I'm not asking this person to be my dog nanny, just to give me the pros and cons of this breed. Medical issues they are prone to, etc.

I brought my dog into an emergency vet a few months ago. I spent a lot of money to save my little guy. I never once asked, does this surgeon own a dog. Just does he know what he's doing?
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All good points, I just said it would make you more comfortable to know how this sales guy knows dogs.

Again, surgeon/vet = to CPA.  You also wouldn't bring your dog to ENT though they have a good understanding of the organs in your dogs body.

[Shanarchy]

Terry, though I respect your position, your analogy doesn't work.

It's like suggesting I'm good at math so let me do your taxes.  My CPA doesn't need to screen print because he doesn't deal with anything related to it.  You sell the equipment I have to use, there is a larger need for you to have a better understanding of my day to day challenges.

Although I will agree it would be wonderful having a seasoned screen printer being a sales rep for an equipment company, I think that is A) wishful thinking B) not always a good thing and C) not needed.

A) Greg Kitson and Rick Roth are probably not going to close their shops to become an equipment sales rep.
B) The printer who becomes a sales rep probably couldn't make it on their own. There is a good chance they may not be that "experienced" person you want to take their advice on.
C) A good sales rep is one who gets you answers to your questions. If he/she doesn't know the answer they don't fake it, they make a couple of calls to find out. They speak to their other customers to compare scenarios, etc. Proper training from a company, and the will to learn from a sales rep can go very far.

Food for thought, the guy who started Progressive was a screen printer.

Personally, I think Brian/Binkspot would make a great sales rep for an equipment company. But the chances of an experienced printer AND tech also becoming a sales rep is not very common.

I agree completely... But, you are talking top artist at the top of their game.

It is possible that a former screen printer realized he was better at sales than he was in the trenches, but still KNOWS the troubles of a screen printer.  I have mixed feelings when my supplier rep tells me he used to run a shop. Part of me thinks like you, "hmm, he couldn't cut it what does he know". But, another, larger part of me says, "this guy understands the struggle first hand".

It's like a separator, you want him to have some sort of hands on in a shop... Even if it was only with his eyes seeing what happens when screen, ink and shirts come together.  If he's only sat in his home and never seen a press then you are less comfortable with his knowledge of dot gain and such.  Not saying it can't be done. I'm saying what makes you most comfortable.  I like hearing a sep artist say, "in my shop we would run this on x mesh blah blah blah" vs here is your channels with pms colors, good luck!

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To me, this is more important with a supplier than a equipment rep. And this is probably why most of us are part of this forum. I can post a question or problem I'm having running Wilflex super genesis red, and someone here has probably had this happen and found a solution. With a sales rep at a supply company, did they really print? When did the last print? And they are often giving you the manufacturers recommended tips for usage.

Anytime a sales rep gives me advice I always try to double check it here. Even if just searching the archives. Bottom line, to me anyways, they are not going to come into my shop and print the job for me. They are not coming in and giving me in person training. As long as they can get me the right answer I'm as happy as can be. If all I have to do is call them and then they will make 5 calls and call me back in a resonable time, with the right answer, that is more than I could ask for.

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of bad sales reps out there. This is why I order ALL of my supplies, pay shipping, and wait an extra couple of days to get them instead of using the place that is 30 minutes from me.

[Gilligan]

Very true Shane.

It's very much like going to the doctor... Is he giving you what works best or just what the pharmacy rep got on her knees for him to sell?  But if that doctor says, "I just had that issue, I used this and man it worked better than I expected!" I feel much more confident in his recommendation.

[1964GN]

I agree completely... But, you are talking top artist at the top of their game.

It is possible that a former screen printer realized he was better at sales than he was in the trenches, but still KNOWS the troubles of a screen printer.  I have mixed feelings when my supplier rep tells me he used to run a shop. Part of me thinks like you, "hmm, he couldn't cut it what does he know". But, another, larger part of me says, "this guy understands the struggle first hand".

It's like a separator, you want him to have some sort of hands on in a shop... Even if it was only with his eyes seeing what happens when screen, ink and shirts come together.  If he's only sat in his home and never seen a press then you are less comfortable with his knowledge of dot gain and such.  Not saying it can't be done. I'm saying what makes you most comfortable.  I like hearing a sep artist say, "in my shop we would run this on x mesh blah blah blah" vs here is your channels with pms colors, good luck!

I like this analogy, me being an that artist that can't wait to print that complicated SEP I just did :-)

[Anatolhelp]

Just for clarification....metalboy is not a Rep of Anatol or is affiliate with the company.....I don't or we don't play those games.....you should know me well enough by now to know that.

My humble apologies! Without my knowledge or approval Metalboy came on here and made comments.   I am sorry I claimed he wasn't a employee of the company.  Sorry for the mistake and sorry he didn't identify himself as an employee. 

[Gilligan]

Just for clarification....metalboy is not a Rep of Anatol or is affiliate with the company.....I don't or we don't play those games.....you should know me well enough by now to know that.

My humble apologies! Without my knowledge or approval Metalboy came on here and made comments.   I am sorry I claimed he wasn't a employee of the company.  Sorry for the mistake and sorry he didn't identify himself as an employee.

You can see how a company can get a bad rap if they come on here and don't state who they are and then start conversations like he did.

At least it was pretty obvious who you were with when you signed up.

[TCT]

Just for clarification....metalboy is not a Rep of Anatol or is affiliate with the company.....I don't or we don't play those games.....you should know me well enough by now to know that.

My humble apologies! Without my knowledge or approval Metalboy came on here and made comments.   I am sorry I claimed he wasn't a employee of the company.  Sorry for the mistake and sorry he didn't identify himself as an employee.

You can see how a company can get a bad rap if they come on here and don't state who they are and then start conversations like he did.

At least it was pretty obvious who you were with when you signed up.

Wait, what did I miss?! Does metalboy work for anatol? Or did he, and took a hiatus to run night clubs?

[blue moon]

Just for clarification....metalboy is not a Rep of Anatol or is affiliate with the company.....I don't or we don't play those games.....you should know me well enough by now to know that.

My humble apologies! Without my knowledge or approval Metalboy came on here and made comments.   I am sorry I claimed he wasn't a employee of the company.  Sorry for the mistake and sorry he didn't identify himself as an employee.

You can see how a company can get a bad rap if they come on here and don't state who they are and then start conversations like he did.

At least it was pretty obvious who you were with when you signed up.

Kev and all, I think this comment was not necessary as the ramifications are obvious without having to point them out. Let's cut them some slack as they try to move forward. Yes, we would normally pile on and make those remarks if it was anybody else, but at this point Terry is still a guest here so let's extend that courtesy to him. As soon as he puts the slippers on, pile on as you wish!

pierre

p.s. we all make mistakes and it is not obvious from the name who the poster is. Terry did not know who ti was and once he found out, he let us know. What else can we ask for?

[Binkspot]

Arrrrrg, Ill be good.

[Gilligan]

I wasn't even saying that Terry was being "slick" about it or anything.

I was simply helping Terry understand that when people "slide" in unannounced and start drama (why didn't you step on his toes when he took a shot at Brian?) it can make the company look bad.

Don't mistake my post for trying to cause drama when I was simply helping Terry understand why he has met what little hostility he has met here.