MHM, S-Roque or M&R?

[TCT]

The password is "I want to talk to him about sroque"   :-p

I had to change it because you kept calling and when they got me on the phone all I heard was heavy breathing...

[Gilligan]

The password is "I want to talk to him about sroque"   :-p

I had to change it because you kept calling and when they got me on the phone all I heard was heavy breathing...

Well, we were talking automatic screen printing equipment, what did you expect.

[TCT]

Well played sir.

[alan802]

Really hated that I missed this one, oh well, some good points made by all and some gross exaggerations made (based on worst case scenarios versus best case is not comparing apples to apples) by some.  Sonny made a great post, which all of his points are true from a "true/false", "right/wrong" standpoint but if it takes anyone running a non-MHM auto 6 additional minutes to install sq & fb's on a 6 color job then they are in the wrong business and they'll never make any money doing this.  If it takes an M&R operator 4-6 minutes longer to change sq angles on a 6 color job then they are in the wrong business and will never make any money doing this.  And so on and so on...  But, there are lots of smaller time savings due to the well-thought out features of the MHM machines that will all up to several minutes per day versus our press (RPM) and systems in place.  I think the biggest time savings we would see with an MHM would be from taking the pallet jig on and off the press for every multi-colored job which would be around 30-60 seconds for every setup.  The rest of the things mentioned can be done on our press very quickly and there are other things on our RPM that would prove faster than an MHM but overall the MHM would win in a feature-to-feature comparison by several-10 minutes per day in my estimation.

I really like all of the new autos coming out and the effort that the manufacturers have put forth to advance the technology on the machines.  10 years ago I would say the automatic press lineup was pathetic compared to what we have available now.  I hope the advancements continue at this pace and as long as the competition stays healthy I don't see why it won't.

[Screened Gear]

Alan is right about the time savings. The MHM has less steps then most other presses that I have seen. I think time is really irreverent when things go right. Its the times that things go wrong that make one press better then others. Less steps less chances of things going wrong. Less steps less frustration. Honestly frustration takes more time then less steps. How many people have got frustrated that they had problems setting up a 6 color job. How many smoke breaks, early lunches, hits to the wall and kicked dogs happened before that job was print ready. This is were I see the time is saved. Keeping the moral of the shop up with a better more reliable system is worth all the money in the world.

[RichN]

I just spent 2 days printing and operating the new GTIII. Not because I work for M&R but you do need to see this press prior to making any decision.
Also there was one important item left off the MHM registration system. What about the modifications that need to be made to your frames to use it?

[blue moon]

I just spent 2 days printing and operating the new GTIII. Not because I work for M&R but you do need to see this press prior to making any decision.
Also there was one important item left off the MHM registration system. What about the modifications that need to be made to your frames to use it?

As a die hard MHM fan, I have to agree with Rich. Frame modification is a pain when they have to be put in and to add insult to injury, it is expensive, too! Once they are done though, the system is hard to beat!

I do very much so look forward to seeing the GIII and the new UI at SGIA!

pierre

[Screened Gear]

I just spent 2 days printing and operating the new GTIII. Not because I work for M&R but you do need to see this press prior to making any decision.
Also there was one important item left off the MHM registration system. What about the modifications that need to be made to your frames to use it?

Rich is right here. The MHM frames have to be drilled if static or EZ frames. (rollers have brackets that attach to them) Then you add bushings or cups so they can slide on to the press. This is not a bad thing. They don't take very long to attach. 4 drilled holes and then 4 screws. I can do them in less than a min a screen when I do a batch. This is a one time thing, I have about 100 screens and I get them re stretched with the bushings on the frame. I have enough bushings for I think another 300 screens. The cool thing about the MHM screen holding system is you can take a screen out off the press and clean it, change the ink color and it will pop right back into register without any problems. I have used this for changing waterbase inks and I even did it once when a screen failed. I just burned a new screen using the film positioning unit and then that screen went into the head with perfect registration.

[screenprintguy]

Jon, what's the average cost per static and per roller to pin u p? Just out of curiosity.

[Screened Gear]

Jon, what's the average cost per static and per roller to pin u p? Just out of curiosity.

You know I have no Idea. I got my press with enough bushings for 400 screens. I think the bushings are like $2.5 each and the adapters are in the $8 range. You need 4 per screen. Pierre would know better this is jsut want I remember from talking about it with guys.

[1964GN]

I just spent 2 days printing and operating the new GTIII. Not because I work for M&R but you do need to see this press prior to making any decision.
Also there was one important item left off the MHM registration system. What about the modifications that need to be made to your frames to use it?

We have tried to get info but have been unsuccessful. So what are the differences between the GIII and the CIII?

We haven't heard from many S-Roque owners and time is running short, so if you have some time on one of their presses we would love to hear your experiences.

We have already taken into account the screen modifications needed but that's a one time expense that we think will pay for itself in short order.

Thanks for all of the input so far, and thanks for keeping it civil and on topic, for the most part ;-)

[Parker 1]

I just spent 2 days printing and operating the new GTIII. Not because I work for M&R but you do need to see this press prior to making any decision.
Also there was one important item left off the MHM registration system. What about the modifications that need to be made to your frames to use it?

We have tried to get info but have been unsuccessful. So what are the differences between the GIII and the CIII?


We are listening.

[ericheartsu]

I just spent 2 days printing and operating the new GTIII. Not because I work for M&R but you do need to see this press prior to making any decision.
Also there was one important item left off the MHM registration system. What about the modifications that need to be made to your frames to use it?

were you up at social imprints?

[dirkdiggler]

I just spent 2 days printing and operating the new GTIII. Not because I work for M&R but you do need to see this press prior to making any decision.
Also there was one important item left off the MHM registration system. What about the modifications that need to be made to your frames to use it?

We have tried to get info but have been unsuccessful. So what are the differences between the GIII and the CIII?

We haven't heard from many S-Roque owners and time is running short, so if you have some time on one of their presses we would love to hear your experiences.

We have already taken into account the screen modifications needed but that's a one time expense that we think will pay for itself in short order.

Thanks for all of the input so far, and thanks for keeping it civil and on topic, for the most part ;-)

As the 1st G3 was supposed to be mine, I was told its EXACTLY the same press as the smaller footprint CH3 with a different control panel.  Don't know what got changed after I got the CH3D instead, but I look forward to seeing it at SGIA.

[dirkdiggler]

Looks like a pic of the G3 has popped up on the M&R facebook page.  Looks like my CH3 from I can tell.