Press Pricing

[tonypep]

Honestly, I can say that I have never, ever, ever used any of these programs. It was always drilled into us at an early age that a properly engineered job should never require this.  Sorry but IMO these are bandaids.

[GraphicDisorder]

Step back also limits you on what gets flashed doesn't it?

Revolver lets you run around after head 4 and then flash then again after head 5 or whatever.

Brandt, what say you, you are revolver king right?

Revolver can do whatever you want it to.  We never use Revolver anymore really unless its like 24pcs and we dont feel like burning a second white for that.  Using revolver for us was most often due to lack of print heads.  Like trying to print 7 colors on a 8 color press. 

The great thing is even when we used to print in revolver that was still factors faster than manual printing. 

[TCT]

Honestly, I can say that I have never, ever, ever used any of these programs. It was always drilled into us at an early age that a properly engineered job should never require this.  Sorry but IMO these are bandaids.

Without a doubt they are Band-Aids, but who wants to just let a deep cut bleed all day? Use the Band-Aid only when needed.

[tonypep]

Agreed. I come from a different background than many of you.

[jvanick]

the major difference here, especially when you look at opinions, is that some of us run small jobs... I run a lot of 50-100 pc orders, and they're much faster for me to setup on the auto than on the manual....

but for a simple 1 color print or maybe even 2 or 3 color print with a 'top' white.  I run pfpf with the flashback, and then my other colors on top of the white.  Is it 'correct'?  maybe/maybe not... but... I give good results to our customers at a great price.

Would I run a 250+pc order like that, of course not.  But the amount of time saved in burning/registering/setting up another screen far makes up for the 'slowness' of the flashback.  Before we got the flashback, we ran in 'revolver' style mode where we were manually flipping the switches on the heads as the shirts went past.  Talk about a recipe for disaster there.  Plus the slow down.

It's all about making the gear work most efficiently for us.

But... the big thing here for me.. is that whatever our next press is, I want to have the option to at least start with what we're comfortable with, and then move into the 'faster' realm as need be.

[IntegrityShirts]

To bring this back up and not for the purposes of flashbacks or revolver options, do the newer RPM machines or Mu$tangs have the ability to set the flash time from the main control panel?

Also, I assume IF the progressive falcons get the new OS and touch screen that they will have the above ability?

It's something I use every single time I print as I'm a one-man show and if the phone rings or a customer walks in during a print, I may be delayed 15min. When I get back to the press I up the flash time for a revolution or so and then back it down as I print.

Can you do this on a sportsman? Which M&R presses have that functionality?

[GraphicDisorder]

To bring this back up and not for the purposes of flashbacks or revolver options, do the newer RPM machines or Mu$tangs have the ability to set the flash time from the main control panel?

Also, I assume IF the progressive falcons get the new OS and touch screen that they will have the above ability?

It's something I use every single time I print as I'm a one-man show and if the phone rings or a customer walks in during a print, I may be delayed 15min. When I get back to the press I up the flash time for a revolution or so and then back it down as I print.

Can you do this on a sportsman? Which M&R presses have that functionality?

Sportsman does that yup. 

[mimosatexas]

for a simple 1 color print or maybe even 2 or 3 color print with a 'top' white.  I run pfpf with the flashback, and then my other colors on top of the white.

This is slightly off topic, but is this how you ran the job where the yellow was picking up badly?  If so, the p/f/p base is definitely the problem.  I use to do p/f/p bases when I didn't feel like burning a top white screen, but those prints are horrible even if they look good.  They are bulletproof and have a rougher than necessary texture on top colors.  You'll also end up with sticky colors A LOT.

I have since started doing halftone bases (either tonal or just 65% for spots) and double stroking, then laying down colors, then the top white.  It makes a world of difference if you haven't been doing this.  The extra burning and lining up of one screen is worth it in my opinion.

[jvanick]

for a simple 1 color print or maybe even 2 or 3 color print with a 'top' white.  I run pfpf with the flashback, and then my other colors on top of the white.

This is slightly off topic, but is this how you ran the job where the yellow was picking up badly?  If so, the p/f/p base is definitely the problem.  I use to do p/f/p bases when I didn't feel like burning a top white screen, but those prints are horrible even if they look good.  They are bulletproof and have a rougher than necessary texture on top colors.  You'll also end up with sticky colors A LOT.

I have since started doing halftone bases (either tonal or just 65% for spots) and double stroking, then laying down colors, then the top white.  It makes a world of difference if you haven't been doing this.  The extra burning and lining up of one screen is worth it in my opinion.

nope... I rarely run pfpf when underbasing..

the job where the yellow was spreading out was a double-stroke underbase.

I need to try to start doing the 65% halftone base for my spot colors.. what kind of lpi and mesh are you running with that?

[mimosatexas]

If it is for spot colors I usually do a 45lpi on 180S.  If it is tonal I do 55 on a 225S.  For discharge bases I usually just leave them solid so there are fewer issues with dry-in.

[Inkworks]

To bring this back up and not for the purposes of flashbacks or revolver options, do the newer RPM machines or Mu$tangs have the ability to set the flash time from the main control panel?

Also, I assume IF the progressive falcons get the new OS and touch screen that they will have the above ability?

Falcons already have that ability.

[sqslabs]

To bring this back up and not for the purposes of flashbacks or revolver options, do the newer RPM machines or Mu$tangs have the ability to set the flash time from the main control panel?

If I am remembering correctly, the RPM does have this ability.

[IntegrityShirts]

To bring this back up and not for the purposes of flashbacks or revolver options, do the newer RPM machines or Mu$tangs have the ability to set the flash time from the main control panel?

Also, I assume IF the progressive falcons get the new OS and touch screen that they will have the above ability?

Falcons already have that ability.

Ahh nice, didn't know that!

[ScreenPrinter123]

To bring this back up and not for the purposes of flashbacks or revolver options, do the newer RPM machines or Mu$tangs have the ability to set the flash time from the main control panel?

If I am remembering correctly, the RPM does have this ability.

Actually they do not have this ability.  Not a deal breaker but definitely something to consider when evaluating presses

[mk162]

my understanding is it's coming as an upgrade around november.