Press Pricing

[Prosperi-Tees]

Wondering what prices have you guys seen for autos. Criteria is 8 and 10 color presses with servo and ac heads, looking for standard print sizes (16x18ish):

Anatol Horizon - $41700 8/10
Anatol Horizon - $56100 10/12

Workhorse Sabre - $34000 6/8 (included this as it would for the most part perform like an 8 color of other mfgs with the flashbacks)
Workhorse Sabre - $44000 8/10
Workhorse Sabre - $54000 10/12

M&R Sportsman - $               8/10
M&R Sportsman - $              10/12

Sroque You - $49995 8/10
Sroque You - $69995 10/12

MHM?     -     $               8/10
MHM?     -     $              10/12

RPM Revolution - $              8/10
RPM Revolution - $              10/12

[DurbinDesigns]

Dont own any of these presses. But I have worked with some and I am constantly looking for a place with SRoques. If I could ever upgrade from ryonets manual presses: riley hopkins and the riley hopkins jr ( which I own now ) I would get a Sroque. I have even worked on lawsons, vastexs, and a few other brands. Maybe I am just pro Ryonet. Good luck.

[hoogie]

Workhorse Sabre - $34000 6/8 (included this as it would for the most part perform like an 8 color of other mfgs with the flashbacks)
Workhorse Sabre - $44000 8/10
Workhorse Sabre - $54000 10/12

I just bought a new sportsmen 10/12 and like you I price checked everything, all in all the sabre is a nice press, I have a javelin 6/8 that Ive had for a long time and still use it beside the sporty, with experience with the jave and the flashbacks if your going to be using them running full colors on the press you'll loose production rate. No two ways about it...I've run my sporty in revolver mode same two jobs on both presses jave p/f/p and sporty in revolver...sportsman smoked the jave...so keep that in mind...I will say the operating interface of the sabre is nice I saw it down at the indy show up close..but there were other concerns when looking at the press. If you can get in a shop and watch the press you narrow it down to...and talk to owners...real world owners have a far different pitch then the sales men. One thing I did miss what the rhino, I would of taken a much better look at that press had I known it was out there...good luck

[TCT]

I have "list" prices for the MHM, RPM and M&R presses, but they are from probably over 2 years ago but let me know if you would like me to pay them.

I could totally be wrong, but that price for the S.Roque seems a bit high. You would want a price on a "M" and not a "L" or a "XL" model. Techsupport use to have list pricing on their website for a good number of the presses. Again, I could be totally wrong on the price as we focused our search on the ECO model and not the YOU.

@DurbinDesings, the S.Roque is a amazing press. I absolutely love ours. It is not exclusive to Ryonet however, nor is it a "Ryonet Press". In the states Ryonet just spend the most advertising dollars on it. A downfall of the S.Roque presses is they do not have a "entry level" press. MHM had the SA-EVO, M&R has the Diomandback, and anatol has a few.

I tink without a shadow of a doubt the new UI on the SABRE is currently the best on the market. And something I wouldn't be surprised to see everyone mimic eventually. A huge step forward for them!

Keep your eyes open for the GT3 from M&R, from my understanding it picks up in the few places the Sportsman drops off!

[whitewater]

To me if you are spending that amount on a press or equipment, does price really matter so much?

Just find one you like that has what you want, and one you feel comfortable with and get it.  LOL

[GraphicDisorder]

I view the flashbacks as a afterthought to saving people print heads.  If you figure up the slower speed you'd have to run at for the life of a press with a flashback you can easily justify going with full flashes just in faster production alone I would think. 

I would go full flashes. 

[jvanick]

I would agree with all said about the flashbacks (even tho i have one and use it occasionally when I need to run a 6 color job).

the Saber is kinda interesting tho in that you can mix and match 'roll-in' flashbacks and quartz flash units... so when you have a complex job that you would need to flash multiple times, you have that option.

That being said, I really am looking forward to seeing the GT3.

Phil/Paul/etc from workhorse or other vendors... did Workhorse license the Revolver patent from M&R or implement something like it?  I haven't seen it mentioned in any of the brochures or videos.

[blue moon]

I would agree with all said about the flashbacks (even tho i have one and use it occasionally when I need to run a 6 color job).

the Saber is kinda interesting tho in that you can mix and match 'roll-in' flashbacks and quartz flash units... so when you have a complex job that you would need to flash multiple times, you have that option.

That being said, I really am looking forward to seeing the GT3.

Phil/Paul/etc from workhorse or other vendors... did Workhorse license the Revolver patent from M&R or implement something like it?  I haven't seen it mentioned in any of the brochures or videos.

you should post your Workhorse question in their section as they are monitoring it and will thus not miss it.

pierre

[jvanick]

doing so now.. didn't know we had manufacturer sections... guess I need to look at the 'index' more often, or at least have coffee

[Gilligan]

I view the flashbacks as a afterthought to saving people print heads.  If you figure up the slower speed you'd have to run at for the life of a press with a flashback you can easily justify going with full flashes just in faster production alone I would think. 

I would go full flashes.

I disagree... I think a regular flash in a fully functioning head is an after thought... You spend about 5k for a print head that you won't use.

The flash back seems like a forward thinking way to regain that head and money spent.  Real world physics mean you have to make sacrifices to accomplish this but there is a sacrifice one way or another.

With the Sabre being able to use both, I think they win that argument hands down... Have your cake and eat it too kind of deal... Though you have to now spend more money, it's not money being thrown away for good.

I always thought that was a good thing about the American brand presses, you don't have to spend money for a print head to have a flash station.

[mk162]

Gilligan, have you ever run an auto? 

Even if it runs you $5k for a head you rarely use, you will make that up in no time with increased production.

They both have their place though.  We can't fit a huge pres in our shop, and if you need that extra print color, it's invaluable.

[GraphicDisorder]

I disagree... I think a regular flash in a fully functioning head is an after thought... You spend about 5k for a print head that you won't use.

Great, for me id rather waste a head than run as slow as ive seen the Javalin running with flashback.  Plus still got a active head I can use with different configurations some jobs require. Can move a flash in seconds, how long does it take to move a flashback?

The flash back seems like a forward thinking way to regain that head and money spent.  Real world physics mean you have to make sacrifices to accomplish this but there is a sacrifice one way or another.

Yes I agree if you don't mind running slow.

With the Sabre being able to use both, I think they win that argument hands down... Have your cake and eat it too kind of deal... Though you have to now spend more money, it's not money being thrown away for good.

That would be best be answered by what is the max speed a Sabre runs WITH a flashback in it?  I know ive seen the Javilins running and its just like watching paint dry. I assume the Saber to be faster though. 

I always thought that was a good thing about the American brand presses, you don't have to spend money for a print head to have a flash station.

Other manufactures offer ways to solve that as well without spending for the print head.

Gilligan, have you ever run an auto? 

Even if it runs you $5k for a head you rarely use, you will make that up in no time with increased production.

They both have their place though.  We can't fit a huge pres in our shop, and if you need that extra print color, it's invaluable.

I agree and yes I think it DOES have a place for small shops with space issues  to still have X colors and smaller foot print or shops not wanting to eventually run much faster or that are not super concerned with production speed.

[3Deep]

The company my press came from had a flash that worked between the print heads, don't know how well that worked out since I've heard nothing about in the market, but it was a nice try to save that print head head.  Most shops that worry about speed are a little over mid size to large shops that need to boogie, so I really can't see them buying a press that would hinder there print speed like us little fish do.  Where I got a 8/7 with one flash giving me a true six color machine, I'm thinking the shop that needs production speed would go 10/12 or bigger so having a couple of flashes in print heads wouldn't be an issue.

darryl

[hoogie]

With the Sabre being able to use both, I think they win that argument hands down... Have your cake and eat it too kind of deal... Though you have to now spend more money, it's not money being thrown away for good.

That would be best be answered by what is the max speed a Sabre runs WITH a flashback in it?  I know ive seen the Javilins running and its just like watching paint dry. I assume the Saber to be faster though. 

I'll agree with some of what has been said about speed, but I'm also keeping in mind that the jave gained us enough business to purchase the new press. As for speed of the sabre, is all dependent on how fast that flash back is set to run...hence its not any faster than a jave. from what I've seen. an for our first press the jave did awesome, being able to run true six colors on it was a saver on some jobs. As for moving the flashbacks on the jave...bout 8-10mins after you move it you have to relevel it two person job. on the sabre there on a stand from what I saw at the indy show so switching heads should be just as fast as with other flashes out there now. I would think you would still need to level it after a move though it your using it in a print station due to the screen above it..but maybe not...

[Gilligan]

Brandt, the Sabre can ALSO use standard roll in flash.  Again, you have the option to have your cake and eat it as well.  No other manufacture gives you that option.  By itself is it better?  That's a personal choice and guys with limited space might lean one way over the other.  Guys with unlimited space will do like Brad said and just get a larger press and eat the money.  Though that still does seem counter intuitive to pay for 16 PRINT heads to then NEVER use three of them.

Seems like putting rotors and calipers on your spare tire.

Brad, you are correct, what can I know about this topic... Doesn't stop one from having an academic discussion and I think we almost said the same thing.  Makes me wonder now, have you run an auto? :p