Honeycomb pallets with Rubber tops

[Ryan]

I'm rehashing an old post, but has anyone put the rubber tops on honeycomb boards? Its crossed my mine to try and see if it makes any sort of difference or noticeable difference in print quality or flash times or anything worth while. I'm not sure I want to invest in a pallet just to see if there is someone in screen print world that has actually done it and has some feedback on it?
Thanks

[244]

I'm rehashing an old post, but has anyone put the rubber tops on honeycomb boards? Its crossed my mine to try and see if it makes any sort of difference or noticeable difference in print quality or flash times or anything worth while. I'm not sure I want to invest in a pallet just to see if there is someone in screen print world that has actually done it and has some feedback on it?
Thanks

dont do it. They will delaminate.

[screenprintguy]

I have honey combed pallets on my DB that I bought used, they had pallet rubber on them, a few had loose spots, i ordered new pallet top rubber and adheasive from M&R and it was easy peezy to peel the old crap off and glue the new stuff on. I buffed the edges with a belt sander. Works great.

[screenprintguy]

I'm rehashing an old post, but has anyone put the rubber tops on honeycomb boards? Its crossed my mine to try and see if it makes any sort of difference or noticeable difference in print quality or flash times or anything worth while. I'm not sure I want to invest in a pallet just to see if there is someone in screen print world that has actually done it and has some feedback on it?
Thanks

dont do it. They will delaminate.

Rich, what causes them to delaminate?

[T Shirt Farmer]

I did all my MHM pallets over 1.5 years ago and no problems at all... IMO it helps keep the pallets frokm getting molten hot when running a 8 color with 2 flashes on a 10 color machine

[Ryan]

I saw that about delaminating in the old post but that post was like 3 years old. I just assumed there have been advancements since then?

[screenprintguy]

I saw that about delaminating in the old post but that post was like 3 years old. I just assumed there have been advancements since then?

Ryan, I have the old crappy honey comb pallets, the ones that actually have a rubber beading around the outside edge of them, they get hotter than the sun and thankfully haven't fallen appart. I think if the rubber wasn't on them, they would be worse. I'm almost sure the pallets you have are the newer technology. Ask the manufacturer first, but the ones we have seem to be fine with rubber.

[244]

I'm rehashing an old post, but has anyone put the rubber tops on honeycomb boards? Its crossed my mine to try and see if it makes any sort of difference or noticeable difference in print quality or flash times or anything worth while. I'm not sure I want to invest in a pallet just to see if there is someone in screen print world that has actually done it and has some feedback on it?
Thanks

dont do it. They will delaminate.

Rich, what causes them to delaminate?

Rubber retains the heat while aluminum quickly dissipates heat. The glue that holds the skin on the pallets will delaminate over time

[Action1]

I'm rehashing an old post, but has anyone put the rubber tops on honeycomb boards? Its crossed my mine to try and see if it makes any sort of difference or noticeable difference in print quality or flash times or anything worth while. I'm not sure I want to invest in a pallet just to see if there is someone in screen print world that has actually done it and has some feedback on it?
Thanks

We have manufactured 1000's of honeycomb aluminum and soft top rubber pallets and shipped them around the world for over twenty years. Some of the best known and largest printers in the world prefer the honeycomb with a soft top rubber. As well, we provide honeycomb and soft top rubber pallets directly to a number of machine makers around the world.  There are many advantages to using soft top rubber as a printing surface. It will improve your print quality, your control, & your flash times are reduced. Planar agreement between your pallet, your screen, and the squeegee vector is critical to all aspects of setup, production, and the quality of your screen printing. The slightly compressive quality of the rubber mitigates inaccuracies in your machines setup. Additionally, the rubber is a thermal insulator and reflects the heat thereby focusing the heat on the print and gelling the ink quicker.

The only disadvantage to it is that it's not free and adds to the cost of your pallets. These positive qualities are the reasons the number one selling machine manufacturer uses it. Many other machinery manufacturers around the world and here also use this material.

I've never heard from anyone that there was an issue with the materials not staying together. I can't remember ever disagreeing with Rich before. However, on this I can say with certainty that we've not experienced delamination issues. I think many of you would be surprised to know how much effort is required to make honeycomb pallets. When we make them with rubber, we add the material about half way through the manufacturing process. This is one of the ways we are able to do it so well. Additionally, we have developed process, expertise, and custom machinery to accomplish the quality that we do.

I have heard from the very best printers around the world for most of my life that they prefer it. I trust these guys’ expertise and therefore believe in the benefits of the material also. However, I do know that there are many accomplished printers who do incredible work on pallets without it. I say go with the rubber.

[screenprintguy]

I'm rehashing an old post, but has anyone put the rubber tops on honeycomb boards? Its crossed my mine to try and see if it makes any sort of difference or noticeable difference in print quality or flash times or anything worth while. I'm not sure I want to invest in a pallet just to see if there is someone in screen print world that has actually done it and has some feedback on it?
Thanks

We have manufactured 1000's of honeycomb aluminum and soft top rubber pallets and shipped them around the world for over twenty years. Some of the best known and largest printers in the world prefer the honeycomb with a soft top rubber. As well, we provide honeycomb and soft top rubber pallets directly to a number of machine makers around the world.  There are many advantages to using soft top rubber as a printing surface. It will improve your print quality, your control, & your flash times are reduced. Planar agreement between your pallet, your screen, and the squeegee vector is critical to all aspects of setup, production, and the quality of your screen printing. The slightly compressive quality of the rubber mitigates inaccuracies in your machines setup. Additionally, the rubber is a thermal insulator and reflects the heat thereby focusing the heat on the print and gelling the ink quicker.

The only disadvantage to it is that it's not free and adds to the cost of your pallets. These positive qualities are the reasons the number one selling machine manufacturer uses it. Many other machinery manufacturers around the world and here also use this material.

I've never heard from anyone that there was an issue with the materials not staying together. I can't remember ever disagreeing with Rich before. However, on this I can say with certainty that we've not experienced delamination issues. I think many of you would be surprised to know how much effort is required to make honeycomb pallets. When we make them with rubber, we add the material about half way through the manufacturing process. This is one of the ways we are able to do it so well. Additionally, we have developed process, expertise, and custom machinery to accomplish the quality that we do.

I have heard from the very best printers around the world for most of my life that they prefer it. I trust these guys’ expertise and therefore believe in the benefits of the material also. However, I do know that there are many accomplished printers who do incredible work on pallets without it. I say go with the rubber.

Totally makes sense why my pallet's original rubber started peeling off. We I can say the new rubber and glue I ordered from you guys has held pretty good. 

[244]

I'm rehashing an old post, but has anyone put the rubber tops on honeycomb boards? Its crossed my mine to try and see if it makes any sort of difference or noticeable difference in print quality or flash times or anything worth while. I'm not sure I want to invest in a pallet just to see if there is someone in screen print world that has actually done it and has some feedback on it?
Thanks

We have manufactured 1000's of honeycomb aluminum and soft top rubber pallets and shipped them around the world for over twenty years. Some of the best known and largest printers in the world prefer the honeycomb with a soft top rubber. As well, we provide honeycomb and soft top rubber pallets directly to a number of machine makers around the world.  There are many advantages to using soft top rubber as a printing surface. It will improve your print quality, your control, & your flash times are reduced. Planar agreement between your pallet, your screen, and the squeegee vector is critical to all aspects of setup, production, and the quality of your screen printing. The slightly compressive quality of the rubber mitigates inaccuracies in your machines setup. Additionally, the rubber is a thermal insulator and reflects the heat thereby focusing the heat on the print and gelling the ink quicker.

The only disadvantage to it is that it's not free and adds to the cost of your pallets. These positive qualities are the reasons the number one selling machine manufacturer uses it. Many other machinery manufacturers around the world and here also use this material.

I've never heard from anyone that there was an issue with the materials not staying together. I can't remember ever disagreeing with Rich before. However, on this I can say with certainty that we've not experienced delamination issues. I think many of you would be surprised to know how much effort is required to make honeycomb pallets. When we make them with rubber, we add the material about half way through the manufacturing process. This is one of the ways we are able to do it so well. Additionally, we have developed process, expertise, and custom machinery to accomplish the quality that we do.

I have heard from the very best printers around the world for most of my life that they prefer it. I trust these guys’ expertise and therefore believe in the benefits of the material also. However, I do know that there are many accomplished printers who do incredible work on pallets without it. I say go with the rubber.

based on our previous test we will not make honeycomb pallets with rubber. It's a market you can have all to yourself. Our test show failure.

[Ryan]

Rich you are talking about the rubber separating from the pallet correct? not the actual honeycomb pallet coming apart? I was thinking the pallet because of the heat they would retain, but just wanted to make sure I understood what you were saying.
~Ryan

[3Deep]

Ok this post just confused the heck out of me here, Action says thumbs up for rubber and Rich says thumbs down...Action says the number one selling machine manufacturer uses it, I thought that was M&R, who else use those pallets.  I know we use just the plain old pallets with a rubber top and they do get plenty hot on a long run ( adjust the flash time and we're good) but I thought a nice heated up pallet helps the inks flow better?

darryl

[Action1]

based on our previous test we will not make honeycomb pallets with rubber. It's a market you can have all to yourself. Our test show failure.
[/quote]

 Thank you sir. If you get any requests for these, I would be happy to take care of them directly or through your company. We will stand behind these products as we do with everything we manufacture.

[Action1]

Ok this post just confused the heck out of me here, Action says thumbs up for rubber and Rich says thumbs down...Action says the number one selling machine manufacturer uses it, I thought that was M&R, who else use those pallets.  I know we use just the plain old pallets with a rubber top and they do get plenty hot on a long run ( adjust the flash time and we're good) but I thought a nice heated up pallet helps the inks flow better?

darryl

Everyone agrees that the rubber is advantageous. I think the question is only whether or not it will be a lasting and durable lamination. I can say with absolute  certainty - we have had decades of success at doing it.