Yellow Cord on Diamondback

[Get Shirts]

Why don't you guys just move the bars at the unloading/loading stations back in a little?  We take full advantage of the safety features, no one has died yet.

[mk162]

honestly, even with safety features, you can still get into nearly any press and end up injured. 

[Admiral]

We had the same issue but it had nothing to do with them not being tightened.

Over the last 3-4 weeks the error would come up randomly sometimes very often but it seemed tied to an indexer issue which when we adjusted that a bit the stop errors just about went away for a couple days and came back lightly.  Finally 'pin' pointed a slightly weak spot in the yellow cords if you can even call it that because it always reset fine and had no yellow cord issue until actually indexing and printing between head 6 and 7.  We replaced those cords and since then haven't had the issue to my knowledge but it's a pain trying to deal with those cords often.

I feel like the bars are always easier to manage and less headaches, one hand operation...easy to trouble shoot.  We also had to replace a slightly damaged yellow cord on our CH3.

[3Deep]

I know this is way off from screen printing, but back in my days as a cut man doing construction we would tie the guard up on the saw blade, which meant the blade was always visible.  I don't know how many of you have every handled a skillsaw, but that was pretty dangerous, but if you was a cut man the faster you can cut and stay ahead of the nail crew you'd do it...just remember never to lay the saw down blade first, and watch for osha .  I think we all bypass safety rules in every industry or job we  do in some way, but it is there for a reason.

Darryl

[tonypep]

And we know the tales of the M&R Death Machines from days gone by. Don't make me dig up that mannequin.

[244]

We had the same issue but it had nothing to do with them not being tightened.

Over the last 3-4 weeks the error would come up randomly sometimes very often but it seemed tied to an indexer issue which when we adjusted that a bit the stop errors just about went away for a couple days and came back lightly.  Finally 'pin' pointed a slightly weak spot in the yellow cords if you can even call it that because it always reset fine and had no yellow cord issue until actually indexing and printing between head 6 and 7.  We replaced those cords and since then haven't had the issue to my knowledge but it's a pain trying to deal with those cords often.

I feel like the bars are always easier to manage and less headaches, one hand operation...easy to trouble shoot.  We also had to replace a slightly damaged yellow cord on our CH3.

. There are advantages with both bars and cables. We will stay with cables as when the circuit is opened you truly know its open where the switch on a bar can go bad in the closed position and even though the bar is open the circuit can still be made. Just a FYI on our reasoning.

[3Deep]

We had the same issue but it had nothing to do with them not being tightened.

Over the last 3-4 weeks the error would come up randomly sometimes very often but it seemed tied to an indexer issue which when we adjusted that a bit the stop errors just about went away for a couple days and came back lightly.  Finally 'pin' pointed a slightly weak spot in the yellow cords if you can even call it that because it always reset fine and had no yellow cord issue until actually indexing and printing between head 6 and 7.  We replaced those cords and since then haven't had the issue to my knowledge but it's a pain trying to deal with those cords often.

I feel like the bars are always easier to manage and less headaches, one hand operation...easy to trouble shoot.  We also had to replace a slightly damaged yellow cord on our CH3.

. There are advantages with both bars and cables. We will stay with cables as when the circuit is opened you truly know its open where the switch on a bar can go bad in the closed position and even though the bar is open the circuit can still be made. Just a FYI on our reasoning.

While your statement might be true about bars, I can lean into the cables without them coming apart somewhat and still get hit, where with the bars I can't.  Since you guys are the leader's in automatic press's what do you think about using a laser light for safety bars or do you think they would be to sensitive.  I know the one we have for our front doors will catch everything coming in, even if a strong wind blows the door in a little it goes off.

darryl

[244]

We had the same issue but it had nothing to do with them not being tightened.

Over the last 3-4 weeks the error would come up randomly sometimes very often but it seemed tied to an indexer issue which when we adjusted that a bit the stop errors just about went away for a couple days and came back lightly.  Finally 'pin' pointed a slightly weak spot in the yellow cords if you can even call it that because it always reset fine and had no yellow cord issue until actually indexing and printing between head 6 and 7.  We replaced those cords and since then haven't had the issue to my knowledge but it's a pain trying to deal with those cords often.

I feel like the bars are always easier to manage and less headaches, one hand operation...easy to trouble shoot.  We also had to replace a slightly damaged yellow cord on our CH3.

. There are advantages with both bars and cables. We will stay with cables as when the circuit is opened you truly know its open where the switch on a bar can go bad in the closed position and even though the bar is open the circuit can still be made. Just a FYI on our reasoning.

While your statement might be true about bars, I can lean into the cables without them coming apart somewhat and still get hit, where with the bars I can't.  Since you guys are the leader's in automatic press's what do you think about using a laser light for safety bars or do you think they would be to sensitive.  I know the one we have for our front doors will catch everything coming in, even if a strong wind blows the door in a little it goes off.

darryl

We use lasers on a lot of our presses and have an optional system that can be put on all series II presses and up. When done properly you can no longer "card ink" while press is running and if you walk up to the heads and are within arms length the press will stop. There is a scanning laser at the load/unload station that is active when motion is detected on the pallets which means no pre-start to loading a pallet as it is coming into the station or reaching to get a lint ball/straighten out a wrinkle as the pallet is leaving. Had it for years! Really safe and 20% less production at least. That is why  the word optional!

[Gilligan]

no wonder he has to take pills for back pain.

Yeah, that statement was kind of funny... TMI... I don't need to know about your pill popping problems.

[jsheridan]

People were always bypassing the safety bar on Precision Ovals. Unfortunately an operator at Winterland got his skull crushed and died instantly. Tragic. You don't mess with hydraulics.

I used to train the new press ops with a cantaloupe or watermellon..

I'd put it next to the frame holder and index.. their expression usually matched the mess on the floor.

Lets not forget the press I learned on.. american auto.. chain drive 6 color.
That shop had the press because where it came from, a girl was bent in half and broke her back.

[Homer]

one of the main guys @ New Buffalo, Merle - 244 may know him, he was telling me a story of a girl that worked there long ago, went under the safety cable to adjust something, the machine indexed -we're talking a giant Formula - she got hit and it pulled her under the flash, she was stuck in the press, under the flash for a few minutes, they had to unbolt the flash to get her out..... burnt her pretty good....can't mess around with these kind of things, one slip up and next thing you know, you're missing a finger, or a forehead.

[tonypep]

On the first prototype allover M&Rs they used weight sensitive floor mats; as it took 2 people to load. We had a lightweight guy on the screen side shift his weight and tricked the safety to think no one was there and the servo indexed him under the screen. Damn near almost printed the poor guy.

[starchild]

I know this is way off from screen printing, but back in my days as a cut man doing construction we would tie the guard up on the saw blade, which meant the blade was always visible.  I don't know how many of you have every handled a skillsaw, but that was pretty dangerous, but if you was a cut man the faster you can cut and stay ahead of the nail crew you'd do it...just remember never to lay the saw down blade first, and watch for osha .  I think we all bypass safety rules in every industry or job we  do in some way, but it is there for a reason.

Darryl

In 2005 I had the top of 3 of my fingers of my left hand cut off on a table saw.. I was doing exactly what dude was doing in the vid- taking half an inch off of a 1x4, the guide came loose and instead of turning the saw off to tighten the guide rail I just reached in with my right hand to tighten it, the wood bucked an threw my left hand into the saw blade.

My first thought was I'm too young and handsome to be an amputee what will the ladies think. Vanity top priority.. Luckily Howard DC had a hand specialist and she sewed them back on, 6 months of therapy but still no feeling in them. They look good though.

[Gilligan]

My first thought was I'm too young and handsome to be an amputee what will the ladies think. Vanity top priority.. Luckily Howard DC had a hand specialist and she sewed them back on, 6 months of therapy but still no feeling in them. They look good though.

And really, that's all that matters.

[starchild]

My first thought was I'm too young and handsome to be an amputee what will the ladies think. Vanity top priority.. Luckily Howard DC had a hand specialist and she sewed them back on, 6 months of therapy but still no feeling in them. They look good though.

And really, that's all that matters.

Kev I thought I explained it in my post..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApyLZ47YQoo