Why 23x31 screens are the standard?

[Binkspot]

My mind was wandering this morning while coating screens and I started thinking about why 23x31 screens are the standard? Does this go back to wood frames where 10 linear feet of lumber would yield a 23x31 or was mesh only available in 24" widths or it just works out that is the perfect size for a 9"x15" print, cost savings for manufacturing, easier to fabricate, etc? Why not 24"x30", 23x31 just seems to be an odd size randomly selected.

Just curious and was wondering if any one had an answer where this standard came from.

[Frog]

After kicking around this industry for more years than I really care to remember, and meeting more folks than I can remember, I would venture to say that some guru, for whatever reason, had a bunch of frames this size to sell, and wrote an article extolling the virtues of this particular size.

Where is that emoticon for a tongue slightly in a cheek? (but I stress slightly)

[tonypep]

Came from Precision Screen Machines and American M&M. The ovals and multi printers could only accept one size frame

[Zelko-4-EVA]

Came from Precision Screen Machines and American M&M. The ovals and multi printers could only accept one size frame

interesting

but i assume that the frame size was designed before the printing press...   

i cant image that an entire press was made only to find that their 24x32 frames were too big and their 22x30 frames too small.

why would precision and american settle upon the odd 23x31 frame size?

[IntegrityShirts]

If Precision created the 23x31 then I'd guess they just "winged it" and laid out some pieces of steel on the floor that were 24" and 36", built a frame to hold screens, then made the screens to fit the frame lol

[tonypep]

Having worked for Precision I can tell you they started with desired image size, then pallet size, thus determining frame size. The original frames were steel alloy and you bought them from Precision.

[StuJohnston]

I don't know about american multiprinter's being part on this, mine only takes 36" long frames.


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[ScreenFoo]

Seems like a reasonable image size @ a reasonable free mesh dimension for most shirt work. 

Doing 15" wide to 23" frame, 19" tall to a 31" frame, you're in that 60% or so sweet spot that makes it easy.  (well, easier )

[tonypep]

I know our multi printers and Challengers used the same 23x 31s

[tonypep]

The 23" width came from using a max imprint of 17" wide with a free mesh area of 1-1/2" and frame width of 1-1/2". Adds up to 23. From that the specs of the main frame were reverse engineered

[Croft]

have seen at least 3 new "standard" size screens from suppliers in my area since 1990. no particular reason given other than makes them more money?

[tonypep]

Usually for larger image area. The reason so many adopted the 23/31 is they wanted some similarity, so existing auto people would not have to buy all new frames. Same with platen extrusions, squeegees/ floodbars, etc. Now not so much.

[ABuffington]

I have always wondered about sizing, thanks Tony for the Precision insight.  Only press in the world where a hammer is your micro register tool!

[Printficient]

I have always wondered about sizing, thanks Tony for the Precision insight.  Only press in the world where a hammer is your micro register tool!

Not so.  The only press in the world where the hammer is NOT your micro registration tool are the second generation and forward MHM's.

[244]

I have always wondered about sizing, thanks Tony for the Precision insight.  Only press in the world where a hammer is your micro register tool!

Not so.  The only press in the world where the hammer is NOT your micro registration tool are the second generation and forward MHM's.

Care to elaborate on that statement Sonny?