Left chest (positions) as it pertains to height and left center positions?

[Dottonedan]

Hello all,


I'm trying to get a consensus or an (average) for a left chest location you all would use for your shop. To be used as a guide or template.


I realize these will be adjusted based on the size of the shirt, (e.g) XXXL versus an XS but for standard procedures (taping films to screen) or using DTS, where do you position them?


I also realize that the size of the print may determine (height position), but in general, where is your center point that the vertical line and horizontal line cross?


For example, some place the top of the left chest.... straight across the top (same top location as a full front print area), just moved over to the left. Other have it lower, more based on a center point of a left chest area. I'm looking for an average.


Thanks
Dan

[Frog]

Many use a relationship to shoulder and collar seams, and once,when I compared the positions on my chart they were incredibly close.
Here's my chart again (remember that my distances are from the top of the neck opening, not the bottom of the seam stuff)

As noted on the bottom of my chart, on a large shirt, the center of the left chest design is 5" down (from opening) and 4" over from center.

[kirkage]

large shirt 4.5 down 4.5 over. center of design. this from the bottom of neck seam. If the left chest design is vertically small then I bump it up half an inch.

[Colin]

Center of left chest image is lined up with the edge of the collar.  This is typically 4" off of center.  Most left chest designs are 3.5" wide and maybe 4" wide.  Art always depending. 

We prefer to go 3" down from the bottom of the collar to the top of the design.  The more narrow/thin the design the lower we will go.  We will not go lower than 4" down to the top of the design.

That is for standard placements.  Each shop puts their boards at different places - some like to print collar on the board, others prefer to have the collar off the board.  So... each shop screen placement will be different. 

We really only make adjustments for V necks/womens narrow cut shirts/3x or higher/childrens shirts.

[Sbrem]

We set ours up as having the center of the design 4" off center, same height as a full front, no adjustment for sizes, unless 3X and up. Never had a complaint, ever, except for one job where a new guy without proper supervision printed too low, the proverbial bull's eye on the nipple for a few hundred ladies' t's, a major no-no... (we're already staring there, we don't need any help)

Steve

[Screened Gear]

Frog your nuts. I would never show that chart to customers.

4 inches down and 2 inches over is the upper left corner of the design bounding box. Then depending on the weight of the design left to right, up and down the design is adjusted in a bounding box. No adjustment for fatties. If the whole order is for larger people. Lets say employees at a casino (most times over 50% of the order is over 3X) then the adjustment is done on the film before the screens are made. even then its only a small adjustment.  At 250 to 500 shirts an hour you can not look at sizes and adjust by a quarter inch. Plus by doing that you are more likely going to be off and its not worth it. Been doing it this way for 6 years and only had 2 people let me know the left chest print didn't look right. One was Boeing and it was a guy that should have been wearing a large shirt and orders 3X so he can have that gangster look. (that's what the contact that orders the shirts told me.) He said the left chest print was almost centered on him, really you think...

[mooseman]

With us it really varies by design and we seem to wrestle with this every time. What we do, and it is a PITA but we do it is lay the shirt flat. Throw the logo film on the shirt locating the vertical   center of the design in line with the collar meeting the sleeve. Distance down is horiz. center of design about 2/3 down the  sleeve seam.
Then we have a beer and decide if we need to make any adjustments.
We do this on a large shirt and move up / down , and right / left by about 1/4 inch per size. IE medium shirt would move up 1/4 inch and in to center by 1/4 inch, xl shirt moves down and out and so on.
Like I said it is a PITA but we have pretty good luck, but it is a BIG PITA. when we are happy we throw the offsets and down distance on a chart and throw that in the file so we can get them the same wrong next time.
mooseman

[ZooCity]

We set the center of heart prints at 3" to the left of the centerline of the shirt.  Sounds about the same as doing 2" over to the edge of the art.

I'm with Jon in that I find it unfeasible to adjust the location relative to center on the auto.  Very good loaders with experience can do this efficiently but it will still slow down production and introduce errors.  People seem to get bigger around not so much bigger across, if that makes sense.

I too set any special location in the film so my crew can reg and go (we use pre reg).

I think the only time we had a complaint/comment on a heart print location was from a fire crew full of burly, barrel chested dudes so we set their location to their liking on future orders. 

[Inkworks]

We're 4" over to the center on a large, and 4.25" down from the collar seam. We move 1/2 down and over for each size, except for sizes larger than XL in which case we just keep moving over 1/2 per size. After XL people don't get much taller, just wider....

Platens are set-up like this:

[Joe P Racefan]

I use an imaginary vertical line coming down from the left edge of the neck opening and a horizontal line coming from the center of the sleeve opening. Where they cross, that will be either the center point or bottomleft corner of the image. Of course this is all dependent on the cut of the garment not being odd and the design being wider than it is tall or square.