Making color count choice for new auto?

[alan802]

Double indexing sounds wonderful, until you have to pay AT LEAST 2 more employees, and then deal with 2 more employees and their problems.    If you've already got them then it's not a big deal but it would be for us and shops like us.

[screenprintguy]

Double indexing sounds wonderful, until you have to pay AT LEAST 2 more employees, and then deal with 2 more employees and their problems.    If you've already got them then it's not a big deal but it would be for us and shops like us.

I hear that, I don't think we would be any where near that type of running for a while, but I guess a place like Castle totally makes sense, maybe even a Danny G shop, or Tony P shop with all the extra sets of hands and the need for super quick output on huge 10k plus orders. I want to see our 300 peice multi location 8 color jobs move 2-3 times faster through our system right now and I'll be stoked! I think right now, if I had to set up jobs with double the set ups on one machine to do the double index, I'd be asking for trouble lol. Imagine, you have a 6 color job, that you want to double index, so now you have to make sure those 2, 6 color set ups come off looking identical. Not saying I can't do it, but that would be a stressor my mind wouldn't handle well right now, lol. I'd rather 2 jobs running from 2 different press, and let one press fly like the wind while the more simple job is trucking along on the DB, if ya know what I mean. 

[alan802]

Double indexing sounds wonderful, until you have to pay AT LEAST 2 more employees, and then deal with 2 more employees and their problems.    If you've already got them then it's not a big deal but it would be for us and shops like us.

I hear that, I don't think we would be any where near that type of running for a while, but I guess a place like Castle totally makes sense, maybe even a Danny G shop, or Tony P shop with all the extra sets of hands and the need for super quick output on huge 10k plus orders. I want to see our 300 peice multi location 8 color jobs move 2-3 times faster through our system right now and I'll be stoked! I think right now, if I had to set up jobs with double the set ups on one machine to do the double index, I'd be asking for trouble lol. Imagine, you have a 6 color job, that you want to double index, so now you have to make sure those 2, 6 color set ups come off looking identical. Not saying I can't do it, but that would be a stressor my mind wouldn't handle well right now, lol. I'd rather 2 jobs running from 2 different press, and let one press fly like the wind while the more simple job is trucking along on the DB, if ya know what I mean. 

We are on the same page.  Our shops mirror each other a lot.  You guys do more WB stuff but the makeup of the job and quantities are very similar.  The need to do 5-10 multi-colored jobs per day as fast as possible is what makes us our money.

[ZooCity]

Ah, perpendicular.  That could work for running multiple, smaller dryers, the sprint in that pic looks tiny next to that oval. 

I was just brainstorming on this.  If you could run a larger, 32'-40' overall length, dryer parallel it seems like it could be possible to get a lot more color and station capacity out of a space with an oval.  I also really, really like a modular option to add heads.  And, you could still put a smaller carousel on the point of the dryer.

[TCT]

I have seen dryers set up all ways with ovals. One at the end like in the pic Mike posted,. 2 dryers, one at each end, so the press and dryers form a "U". That setup would usually be printing 2 jobs, one job on one side of the oval another job on the other side. Think of it as 2 sperate linear presses.
I have seen a oval set up to parallel a dryer. This is actually the way we would need to set it's up if we added another press.

Theoretically if you had a TON of money you could set up a oval on each side of a dryer and a carousel type at the end... 3 presses 1 dryer. The dryer would have to be wide as all hell but think of the ROI on that dryer!

Sorry the post got a little derailed Mike, to get it back on track- I'm sticking with removing #3 and #9. Final answer!

[ebscreen]

2 heads before flash. Sometimes you want black/dark down before ubase.

[screenprintguy]

I have seen dryers set up all ways with ovals. One at the end like in the pic Mike posted,. 2 dryers, one at each end, so the press and dryers form a "U". That setup would usually be printing 2 jobs, one job on one side of the oval another job on the other side. Think of it as 2 sperate linear presses.
I have seen a oval set up to parallel a dryer. This is actually the way we would need to set it's up if we added another press.

Theoretically if you had a TON of money you could set up a oval on each side of a dryer and a carousel type at the end... 3 presses 1 dryer. The dryer would have to be wide as all hell but think of the ROI on that dryer!

Sorry the post got a little derailed Mike, to get it back on track- I'm sticking with removing #3 and #9. Final answer!

TON of money, man don't we all wish we had that huh!!! Hit the lotto, set up a super shop, buy the best money can buy of all gear, give good folks good jobs, and have a ton of fun! 3 and 9 huh? hmmm, Making a little layout in Illustrator right now. 3 totally makes sense for sure!!!!

[TCT]

2 heads before flash. Sometimes you want black/dark down before ubase.

That makes good sense. One of my reasons for #3 is that way you have the option of setting up 2 jobs that require a underbase. Not to double index, but more like seeing up multiple jobs in the am or something.

[Screened Gear]

2 heads before flash. Sometimes you want black/dark down before ubase.

That makes good sense. One of my reasons for #3 is that way you have the option of setting up 2 jobs that require a underbase. Not to double index, but more like seeing up multiple jobs in the am or something.

My flash is in head 3. Its good for a few things

Black, white flash
This is good for any color that is not underbased. just makes sense to flash another color at the same time as the underbase

discharge underbase, white flash
This one is great for things like Glow in the dark when you have only one flash or if you want a brighter underbase and don't want to PFPF your underbase.

Lint screen
never used one but having flash in head three makes it possible.

[Screened Gear]

If I was getting a press made and wanted to have open heads I would do head 3 and then an open one ever 3 heads. I don't like printing more than 3 colors wet on wet. Honestly I would only want head 3 open and then one moveable flash. But how much would that really save me. I see my head 3 as spare parts.

[ebscreen]

2 heads before flash. Sometimes you want black/dark down before ubase.

That makes good sense. One of my reasons for #3 is that way you have the option of setting up 2 jobs that require a underbase. Not to double index, but more like seeing up multiple jobs in the am or something.

Yep, that too. Also, being able to have your machine run in both directions helps with this as well. We'll frequently setup jobs in both directions
to take advantage of flashes/using cool down heads as printing colors for jobs in the opposite direction, etc.

[mk162]

our flash stays in head 3.  i use black first a lot on spot color jobs.

[244]

I have seen dryers set up all ways with ovals. One at the end like in the pic Mike posted,. 2 dryers, one at each end, so the press and dryers form a "U". That setup would usually be printing 2 jobs, one job on one side of the oval another job on the other side. Think of it as 2 sperate linear presses.
I have seen a oval set up to parallel a dryer. This is actually the way we would need to set it's up if we added another press.

Theoretically if you had a TON of money you could set up a oval on each side of a dryer and a carousel type at the end... 3 presses 1 dryer. The dryer would have to be wide as all hell but think of the ROI on that dryer!

Sorry the post got a little derailed Mike, to get it back on track- I'm sticking with removing #3 and #9. Final answer!

TON of money, man don't we all wish we had that huh!!! Hit the lotto, set up a super shop, buy the best money can buy of all gear, give good folks good jobs, and have a ton of fun! 3 and 9 huh? hmmm, Making a little layout in Illustrator right now. 3 totally makes sense for sure!!!!

what you save by removing heads is really not worth it. There a a lot of changes in ink that are coming. What is right today will be wrong tomorrow. Leave the heads on and just flip the screen holder up for flash stations. If you want to discuss I will be happy to call..

[mk162]

i kinda agree with rich, I would rather have the head just in case.

also, what are these ink changes you speak of?

[dirkdiggler]

ink changes? you cant say that and leave us hanging...