Price for Used Plastisol?

[tonypep]

Want to know how many Tommy Hilfiger reds and blues there are? Answer: endless. And enjoy not having to cross contaminate them. Boat loads of fun. With Nike its shoelaces and sneaker bits, nylon jacket pieces, spandex clippings, etc. And it changes every season. Careful for what you wish for. I'm back in that game but it's not quite as bad. But wait........theres clear foil overlay which changes the color. Yay!

[mk162]

at some point tony, you just want to tell these people that the perfect is the enemy of the good.

[tonypep]

Of course not possible. For those who have not seen it heres the library (separate from the actual ink department). Not showing a pic of the mystery ink room!

[alan802]

We're kind of in the same boat. One of my dudes is pretty good with color theory and can typically grab something off the shelf and know
which way to bump it.

Not sure if it applies to you guys, but nailing down a stock color chart and sticking to it unless otherwise asked has helped a ton.
Ninety nine percent of the time the client wants a bright red and that's all that matters. They don't care and likely couldn't tell the difference
between 185 and 485.

Contract side is filling up the shelves though, luckily the majority of it is frequent re-orders.

That is the way we are, we can find something close and take it whatever direction it needs and I'd love to have stock colors and not let the sales staff deviate from those unless we get paid for custom PMS colors.

[Sbrem]

Contract dudes are in the middle so they make sure everything is exact on their end for their client.
And unless we charge for matches, it's no skin off their nose.

We don't charge for matches with our good contract clients, but I'm thinking about beginning too, if only
for the storage.

We charge $10.00 per color, once... if we have to mix more a few reorders down the road, it's on us.

Steve

[alan802]

does your current ink matching system have a 'recycle' feature?

Wilflex will let you recycle old ink into new colors.

We don't currently have a system but that's what I'm shooting for.  I have just started the research on the mixing system I want but I'm still not sold on cleaning house.  In two days this week I had to mix 9 custom colors and for what?  We had plenty of colors that were close and I doubt the customer would have known the difference.  The sales staff is giving them the option to pick any color under the rainbow and once they do that, nothing production can do but mix it up.  Monday I'll have a meeting with them and see if I can get this crap straightened up.  I've given them all color charts of Union, QCM, Rutland and my local suppliers ink and I went through a lot to get all of those and they aren't using them.  I guess they thought I was simply asking that they "try" to use stock colors so I guess I need to tell them that we charge for custom pantone mixes so at least we will be getting paid for spending hours a week mixing up inks.  And because everything is done by eye it does take longer to get the right color but we've become pretty good at it.  Years ago I remember spending 30 minutes trying to mix a color, and lord help me if it was a brown or some strange blue.

[inkman996]

I spent an hour yesterday trying to mix up a pistachio green. Never got close and I cannot figure out why or what else was needed. Gave up and ordered a custom quart.

[tonypep]

We have that on the shelf with the formula PMS358/365 depending on your flavor. Its worth it to have the luxury of sending a lackey to the library and pull the ink in a minute or so. Stock colors will work for some companies but not many IMO. Having a PC or RFU system with Pantone formulas at your fingertips is usually better especially over time.

[blue moon]

does your current ink matching system have a 'recycle' feature?

Wilflex will let you recycle old ink into new colors.

We don't currently have a system but that's what I'm shooting for.  I have just started the research on the mixing system I want but I'm still not sold on cleaning house.  In two days this week I had to mix 9 custom colors and for what?  We had plenty of colors that were close and I doubt the customer would have known the difference.  The sales staff is giving them the option to pick any color under the rainbow and once they do that, nothing production can do but mix it up.  Monday I'll have a meeting with them and see if I can get this crap straightened up.  I've given them all color charts of Union, QCM, Rutland and my local suppliers ink and I went through a lot to get all of those and they aren't using them.  I guess they thought I was simply asking that they "try" to use stock colors so I guess I need to tell them that we charge for custom pantone mixes so at least we will be getting paid for spending hours a week mixing up inks.  And because everything is done by eye it does take longer to get the right color but we've become pretty good at it.  Years ago I remember spending 30 minutes trying to mix a color, and lord help me if it was a brown or some strange blue.

 I would tell the sales guys that the PMS fee is coming out of their commission if they don't charge for it. 'betcha they learn quick!

pierre

[ebscreen]

  The sales staff is giving them the option to pick any color under the rainbow and once they do that, nothing production can do but mix it up. 

I often feel like a production vs. sales dodgeball game would be a good morale booster.

That or a shootout.

[GaryG]

 I would tell the sales guys that the PMS fee is coming out of their commission if they don't charge for it. 'betcha they learn quick!

pierre


Great point a salesman could of used long ago only relating with number of colors on a press.
As the company only had a 4 color manual I was printing on, he sold a 5 color design!
Ha, what a fool. Ok being a printer, thinker, tinkerer - I made a very precise tape dam,  turning
the four color press into five and the owner was happy as a clam.

[mimosatexas]

I don't charge for custom mixes, but I rarely have clients that care that much, even on logos, I will usually show them the RFU color I have, either the actual ink or a swatch, and they will almost always approve it.  For a few clients I match, and sometimes its a bear, but I always mix as little as possible based on coverage and will usually only keep 50-100g just to have on hand for future matching.

[abchung]

I don't charge for custom mixes, but I rarely have clients that care that much, even on logos, I will usually show them the RFU color I have, either the actual ink or a swatch, and they will almost always approve it.  For a few clients I match, and sometimes its a bear, but I always mix as little as possible based on coverage and will usually only keep 50-100g just to have on hand for future matching.

I also try to have as little as possible left over inks. I see these inks as dead money. E.g: Let's say 0.5kg = $7..... If I have 50, that is around $7.5 x 50 = $375 sitting around doing nothing.

[beanie357]

90per cent of our work is match.
Nature of the beast.
You will have ink inventory anyway.
You can use ink up easily on the jobs that just say green or whatever.
Biggest issue is keeping the library straight, as modern staff do not understand 107 comes before 108. Not after 110.
Hee hee