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Can i change Diamondback flood/squeegee stroke direction?
« on: April 22, 2014, 09:55:29 AM »
I have '13 Diamondback S. I know i can change sq/fld directions. Wondering if i can just change head 1 direction for discharge under base and leave the other heads alone for plastisol?
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Re: Can i change Diamondback flood/squeegee stroke direction?
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2014, 10:06:02 AM »
That would be the front/rear option if the menu
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Re: Can i change Diamondback flood/squeegee stroke direction?
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2014, 10:16:41 AM »
Thanks, just figured it out.

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Re: Can i change Diamondback flood/squeegee stroke direction?
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2014, 10:32:36 AM »
While many people (including press mfgrs, ink chemists/distributors, consultants and "experts") advise this as a necessary precaution this can actually cause problems. Given the proper chemistry and airflow most times you can leave a screen open for as much as an hour. Flooded WB can quickly skin up. We never do this.

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Re: Can i change Diamondback flood/squeegee stroke direction?
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2014, 11:37:13 AM »
If you clear 99% of the ink from the stencil with your print stroke there shouldn't be anything left to dry up in the screen.  The more ink that is left in the mesh openings the worse your drying-in-the-screen problem will be.  Easier said than done I know, the DC inks we've used tend to not shear as cleanly as a good plastisol ink does and there is more residue left in the mesh, therefore your drying issues.
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Re: Can i change Diamondback flood/squeegee stroke direction?
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2014, 11:56:50 AM »
we stopped doing this too. Especially if you get a booger in your image. Now you have a flooded screen, that you have to contend with. Not the worst thing in the world, you can load a dumby shirt, clear it out, it's just a pain in the tail to have to do it. I like having the image open in case of the lint boogers, blow it out quick with an air line. Like Alan said, if you are going to walk away for a bit, do a print stroke with a little less speed to make sure you really clear it out, and even have a water bottle with a sprayer close, and do a little spray and wipe, "both sides". You should be good. "wipe all the excess water on the shirts side gooooooood!!!!" Hit a couple test prints and you should be back and running.
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Re: Can i change Diamondback flood/squeegee stroke direction?
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2014, 12:23:32 PM »
Careful with the water on the underside of the screen. Even slightly activated water can get trapped in the screen tape causing the dreaded tape marks that can't be seen until garments exit the dryer.

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Re: Can i change Diamondback flood/squeegee stroke direction?
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2014, 12:36:03 PM »
Just getting ready to do do my first dc ub job shortly. I will try not changing the fl/sq direction. It should be fine with my mesh choice, small quantiies. Two operators will make things go quick.

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Re: Can i change Diamondback flood/squeegee stroke direction?
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2014, 12:40:43 PM »
I have not used water based inks since 1984. I am well aware of its pitfalls... Obviously many improvements since then. Back then it was easy for me to go all plastisol for t-shirts.

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Re: Can i change Diamondback flood/squeegee stroke direction?
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2014, 03:39:13 PM »
I thought this was going to a be a major problem on our Gauntlet, not being able to flood at rest, but it's not.  I agree with all here that you're probably better off just clearing the screen and a quick spritz of distilled water and a wipe down.  It keeps the ink all piled up, less surface area for water to evaporate out of.  It's actually what all HSA manufacturers recommend too. 

TW 5500 series flatstock ink is the only stuff in here that really requires that constant flooding but it's far, far more aggressive on dry in than any textile ink, just a whole different animal.  The textile WB inks are all very forgiving in my opinion and it's quite dry around here typically.

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Re: Can i change Diamondback flood/squeegee stroke direction?
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2014, 07:48:45 PM »
While many people (including press mfgrs, ink chemists/distributors, consultants and "experts") advise this as a necessary precaution this can actually cause problems. Given the proper chemistry and airflow most times you can leave a screen open for as much as an hour. Flooded WB can quickly skin up. We never do this.
Totally agree, we just did a 1500 discharge run and the times we kept the screen open we had much better results.

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Re: Can i change Diamondback flood/squeegee stroke direction?
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2014, 08:25:59 AM »
I'm going to revisit the idea of soft flood vs no flood with discharge on my manual now that I am using mostly S-mesh.  With normal mesh and using 160-230 meshes, I had major dry-in issues without doing the soft flood, even with print and clear strokes.  No issues with soft flood unless I use lower mesh and take a break, which causes the ink to settle through the screen and the next print is almost always blurry.

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Re: Can i change Diamondback flood/squeegee stroke direction?
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2014, 09:47:47 AM »
While many people (including press mfgrs, ink chemists/distributors, consultants and "experts") advise this as a necessary precaution this can actually cause problems. Given the proper chemistry and airflow most times you can leave a screen open for as much as an hour. Flooded WB can quickly skin up. We never do this.

OK, so how come if freezes up on us so quickly? Now I know there are a number of factors, but I'm no newbie; it's always been a pain for us. Are there retarders of sorts, besides water, that folks use? Leave open for an hour sounds totally insane to us, because I know it would freeze. Somebody enlighten me... and thanks in advance.

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Re: Can i change Diamondback flood/squeegee stroke direction?
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2014, 10:00:41 AM »
Couldn't say without being in your shop but we do it all day every day. Lunch is 45 min.

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Re: Can i change Diamondback flood/squeegee stroke direction?
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2014, 11:46:44 AM »
Couldn't say without being in your shop but we do it all day every day. Lunch is 45 min.

Oh great, more sh!t to think about...

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