IC Legacy white, totally awesome!!!

[screenprintguy]

Man, Danny, sorry it didn't work out for you. It's been awesome for us. But then again, we aren't dwelling at 1.5 sec, 3 seconds for us on the DB is fast, so I guess this is where like you said, different shop's parameters will experience products in a differnt way. I know for us, it's been better for underbasing. We usually battled inks wanting to come off the UB after about 3 wet on wet colors, but with this, for us, it seems to hold the top coats better. I guess when you start printing at super sonic speeds like you guys are, there may be a need for something faster in the flashing department. I guess the old say holds true, what works for some is different for others.

[Mr Tees!!]

So with all the rave I decided to give the legacy a shot... While the ink has way above average opacity it just didnt do it for me. I had a 3000 pcs run that I ran the ink on and I battled a few things with it. First being print squeegee speed I had to slow our stroke down approx 25% as the ink body was extremely full forcing me to slow the stroke in order to shear the ink. The next problem was flash time, on a job like this we usually dwell at under 1.5 sec flash time but we could never go under 3 sec dwell with this ink. The next concern for me was the ink likes to sit way on top of the fabric compared to what I like to see. The fibers were suspended in the ink and not matted down as much as id like to see. I went back to our normal white for the 2nd location for this 3000 pcs run which was on same screens(opposite side) and we were back to running faster with better matt down imo. Im def going to play more with the ink before making any conculsions but from the one job ran with it I wasnt jumping with joy... With every shop being so different it's hard to say what works and doesn't imo but this ink so far didn't give me the results I expected.  Sorry to derail the happy train lol

...maybe I should clarify my statement a bit; Granted, it is not THE most opaque I have seen, BUT I think that the opacity-vs-ink shear ratio is better than any other inks I have tested. We use static frames here, which of course are not super hi-tension, so ink shear for us is kind of important. We also use a roller squeegee, so that negates any mat-down issue. And on our press, a DB, a 3-second dwell is no problem.

[spotcolorsupply]

I guess the old say holds true, what works for some is different for others.

Exactly!!! That is why manufacturers have so many different whites. The legacy has proven to be a great white, but no one white pleases everyone.

[scott316]

We handed out a bunch of samples any more updates ? We just got a full stock of Ic inks. I am offering 10% to all tsb member on international coatings 7600 series!!!  For the rest of the month.

[Sparkie]

Love the ink! For me, Legacy was brighter, and more opaque than Epic Quick. Creamy texture and smooth shear as well.

So far I've only tested on 110 and 126 mesh. Will try on 160 and 200 in the near future.

Chances are good that Legacy White will be replacing Epic Quick in my shop.

Thanks again Scott for the sample!

[Dochertyscott]

I managed to get a quart to sample over here in New Zealand form a Screen Printing company that imports large amounts.
I have so far found it nice. Not as big difference as I expected I guess.
I have previously been using Rutland SF. As good for sure... Better... I dunno.
Perhaps I will notice more of a difference when running on the auto...

[mimosatexas]

I have only been able to use it on two jobs on the manual.  I really like the ink, and was able to get a great p/f/p 100% opaque and smooth print on a pretty fuzzy heather.  I haven't seen any bleed issue yet.  It prints almost exactly like the poly excel, but is less expensive, so I will probably be buying a 5er soon for my jobs on 100% cotton and some blends.  I agree it wasn't like an "O WOW!" experience vs my normal white, but I also already tested and ruled out a lot of other whites a while ago, so my normal white is already really good for me.  I definitely saw no downsides to the ink though, especially on the manual.  Creamy, mats down well, flashes in plenty of time, opaque, sheers well, etc.  Saving money over my current white is also a plus.

I'd still like to know what white Danny is normally using

[scott316]

Love the ink! For me, Legacy was brighter, and more opaque than Epic Quick. Creamy texture and smooth shear as well.

So far I've only tested on 110 and 126 mesh. Will try on 160 and 200 in the near future.

Chances are good that Legacy White will be replacing Epic Quick in my shop.

Thanks again Scott for the sample!

I am glad we were able to help you guys test this white. If you guys need anything else please just let me know.

[Doug S]

I'm testing it here today.  I finally found the perfect job to try it with.

[scott316]

I'm testing it here today.  I finally found the perfect job to try it with.

I am glad you found a job to try it out on. Please let us know what you think about it.

[Doug S]

I'm sold.  I have to admit I was a bit skeptical because I've used Wilflex epic white for about 2 years.   I've got approximately 3 gallons of wilflex epic left and I'll be purchasing 5 gallons of the legacy.  It's smooth, floods great, flashes 2 seconds faster on a cold pallet and it's extremely opaque.  I also noticed that it has great fiber matte down characteristics as well.

[scott316]

I'm sold.  I have to admit I was a bit skeptical because I've used Wilflex epic white for about 2 years.   I've got approximately 3 gallons of wilflex epic left and I'll be purchasing 5 gallons of the legacy.  It's smooth, floods great, flashes 2 seconds faster on a cold pallet and it's extremely opaque.  I also noticed that it has great fiber matte down characteristics as well.

Good news for all of us!!! Just let us know when you need that 5 gallon pail.

[JBLUE]

I'm sold.  I have to admit I was a bit skeptical because I've used Wilflex epic white for about 2 years.   I've got approximately 3 gallons of wilflex epic left and I'll be purchasing 5 gallons of the legacy.  It's smooth, floods great, flashes 2 seconds faster on a cold pallet and it's extremely opaque.  I also noticed that it has great fiber matte down characteristics as well.

I dont want to bash the ink but I would gladly send you my five that ran a small order for that 3 gallons of Quick. My 5 of Legacy is a 60 pound paperweight. It might be a good white for a manual printer but it cant hold a candle in the wind to QW on a decent sized run on an auto. It is a get what you pay for white at best. Its bleed resistance is not all that great either.

[dirkdiggler]

Running it on a CH3D and its killing the Quick I loved for so many years!  Different shops, different results I guess.

[screenprintguy]

Running it on a CH3D and its killing the Quick I loved for so many years!  Different shops, different results I guess.

Second that! Quick was our fave a couple years ago, doesn't hold up to this Legacy for us either. Different shops, different results stands the test of time I guess. Maybe different press's, and different printers parameters, but for us it's been awesome!