Making the switch to MHM

[tonypep]

Nothing to do with this post but I do have a little goody coming my way from Erik. New thread later

[GraphicDisorder]

It's sorta ridiculous to call a fan a brand a "kiss ass". I mean why fault people for screaming out loud that they are happy with their equipment which is often in hopes others have similar experience.

[alan802]

Pierre, do you think that the shop owner would be willing to share his experience here with more details?  My jaw has yet to come back up from the floor having read the last few posts.  That is some "are double you be" behavior except worse.  That is probably the worst automatic press transaction that I have ever heard of, I'm in awe.  I really hope that there is so much more to the story, but it sure doesn't seem like there is a happy ending to this situation.

[blue moon]

Pierre, do you think that the shop owner would be willing to share his experience here with more details?  My jaw has yet to come back up from the floor having read the last few posts.  That is some "are double you be" behavior except worse.  That is probably the worst automatic press transaction that I have ever heard of, I'm in awe.  I really hope that there is so much more to the story, but it sure doesn't seem like there is a happy ending to this situation.

we are printing an order for him now, so I can ask. . .

pierre

[GraphicDisorder]

Pierre, do you think that the shop owner would be willing to share his experience here with more details?  My jaw has yet to come back up from the floor having read the last few posts.  That is some "are double you be" behavior except worse.  That is probably the worst automatic press transaction that I have ever heard of, I'm in awe.  I really hope that there is so much more to the story, but it sure doesn't seem like there is a happy ending to this situation.

Saxby still doesn't have his 3rd press last I heard, nor his money, so I think that takes the cake. 

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Pierre, do you think that the shop owner would be willing to share his experience here with more details?  My jaw has yet to come back up from the floor having read the last few posts.  That is some "are double you be" behavior except worse.  That is probably the worst automatic press transaction that I have ever heard of, I'm in awe.  I really hope that there is so much more to the story, but it sure doesn't seem like there is a happy ending to this situation.

Saxby still doesn't have his 3rd press last I heard, nor his money, so I think that takes the cake.

There are much worse than Saxby by double?

[Screened Gear]

 

[alan802]

If I had to choose I'd take Saxby's situation over losing my business because of my choice of equipment manufacturer.  Neither is worth a crap and there would be physical harm done if I were in either situation but Jeff at least got something (yeah, it's debatable) to print jobs with although none of them worked as advertised at any time at least he could fight through it to get jobs out the door.

[GraphicDisorder]

If I had to choose I'd take Saxby's situation over losing my business because of my choice of equipment manufacturer.  Neither is worth a crap and there would be physical harm done if I were in either situation but Jeff at least got something (yeah, it's debatable) to print jobs with although none of them worked as advertised at any time at least he could fight through it to get jobs out the door.

Neither situation is good for sure, but I can't imagine paying for something and not getting it at all.  Even a pos sitting there not working at least something happened. 

[Binkspot]

Saxby got a raw deal and even though he's out the money which I hope he gets back at least some of it in the long run he is much better off with the equipment he got to replace brand X.

As far as getting the shaft, not mentioning names but might I remind you of the older gentleman on the west coast.

[3Deep]

Wicked crazy stuff here I'm reading

[GraphicDisorder]

Saxby got a raw deal and even though he's out the money which I hope he gets back at least some of it in the long run he is much better off with the equipment he got to replace brand X.

As far as getting the shaft, not mentioning names but might I remind you of the older gentleman on the west coast.

Forgot all about him, Leon or a something like that wasn't it?

[ZooCity]

Reviving this very informative post. 

A 12 color X-type is currently at the top of my new press list.  We're about a week, maybe 2, away from the purchase right now.  I wanted to ask if there were any X-type users out there that could chime in on the machine since it's relatively new. 

To clarify the new MHM line up (not counting the entry level one or the oval):

X-type Plus
S-type Extreme
AC4000

The AC is the same as it has been more or less.  The X and S are a bit of a revamp in design and unlike the prior E type v. S, the X-type looks nearly identical to the S now.  Gavin at Hirsch described their only major differences as operator ease type of features.  I do imagine that the "chassis" or whatever you call the main skeleton of the S type is a little more burly since it goes up to 16 color v. the X only going to 12 and that it's a more "universal" production machine.   

I wanted to see if anyone could confirm that the presses are that similar though.  My inclination is to the S but it's $30k more over the X in the same size which is significant.   If someone has both an S and X type extreme in their shop I would really like to hear from them.  If anyone doesn't want to post, pm or email me and I'll give you my cell. 

[blue moon]

I would go fro the S-type even if you have to cut down the number of colors. 10 color press will print almost everything you can think of. Also remember, these are honeycomb platens so you can print after the flash (if you put a fan and slow down the flood). In last 5 years of owning our 8 color, I've turned down 3 jobs total for lack of heads.

pierre

[alan802]

I would go fro the S-type even if you have to cut down the number of colors. 10 color press will print almost everything you can think of. Also remember, these are honeycomb platens so you can print after the flash (if you put a fan and slow down the flood). In last 5 years of owning our 8 color, I've turned down 3 jobs total for lack of heads.

pierre

Even though I'd love to have a 12, we have never lost a job or turned one down because we only have a 10.  We have had to revolve jobs due to high color count but I'm not sure we could have done it in 1 revolution with a 12, especially if we had a 3rd flash unit.  We print directly after the flash all the time and rarely is it a problem to the point where we have to quit doing it.  3 flashes on a 12 color though would be pretty cramped.