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Offline Dochertyscott

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Re: Halftone dot size for gradient
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2014, 12:49:05 AM »
Yeah I don't have too many problems with halftones in photos etc at 55 lpi. (Obviously these sorts of prints are more forgiving than a gradient out to nothing) Last actual gradient I did was at a 45 lpi dot and was great. but for this one I wanted it a smaller dot for the picket logo. And caused some issues. I'm reasonably experienced and consider myself a good printer... but always looking for better process' and input. Cheers for all the advice.
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Re: Halftone dot size for gradient
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2014, 01:56:35 AM »
mixo is not designed for halftones. My suggestion would be to try the Ultrasoft or even better, the Unimatch series of inks. Halftone printing requires ink that is designed to hold the dot shape rather than flatten out.

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I know there are a lot of good inks, but I've used Union Ultrasoft for halftones for years including up to 6 colors.  Never have had to clean the back of a screen during a run.  Actually, I find it takes about 5-6 prints for the inks to settle in. 

I'm thinking 55 lpi might be a bit high unless ultra gradient detail needed.  I'm typically at 45 lpi on 165-230 mesh.  And like Andy (Frog) said, a crest print does not have very many dots to work with in the first place to be able to show a decent gradient.
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Re: Halftone dot size for gradient
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2014, 06:36:08 PM »
When I worked in a prety large shop, we used Union Max and I used that for sim process but added a min of 10% base and up to 20%. It seemed that anything over 20% would dilute the opacity of the inks. If printing on white, no problem, but if printing and combining to create lets say a green fmo a blue and yellow, the yellow would be too thin and not make a good green and the blue would be week so the color would be off.  I like (ONE INK) that can be manipulated as needed. Straight for solid printing and based out for halftone work. so thats why we kept with that.  Adding up to 50% for anything can take away the strength and integrity of the ink. I've been told this by Union but that was about 10 years ago and they may have adjusted their formulation to accomodate.

I'm not even fond of an ultrasoft or even a Unimatch. It's comparably a Rutland M3 and those are (too thin) in my opinion as an artist trying to get specific colors and other effects, but they are popular. I have seen the rise of very thin inks as a staple and to me, it effects your overall output and defines or changes how you handle production and can leave you handicapped. Just my thought.

Another thing I am agaisnt (apparently as an artist) is using big dots on left chest prints. When the back is 55lpi, I often request them to go 60-65 for the front on smaller images to increase more detail and decrease the dot size for better results.

My thought on your print issues is to add to what they have said and also point out another area. The low base white puts down a good heavy coverage of white ink. For me, ( it's too much). It's already a low mesh, so you should be able to get that in one print in most cases, but being on a manual, it's common. You can get there on a manul, but takes more experience and attention to your production like a science.

The top blue is on a 305 mesh with thin coverage of halftones.  The two together seem to be unequally yoked, meaning, they are not a good match together. They can, but not in the best results.
Like the short, fat, bald guy and the tall skinny model. They can get married, but it takes a lot to get them together.

I can see this print like this. HUGE BASE WHITE and a little blue.

First problem I see, is the P/F/P/F/Blue.

For the ink you are using, I would just add in 20% clear base to thin it out just a little, but I may use a higher mesh like a 230 and then do the P/F/P/F/Print blue.  This will be thinner than the last setup and still give you a bright white.



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Re: Halftone dot size for gradient
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2014, 03:13:18 AM »
Thanks dan, I was hoping for your input. That's great. I will try this, along with other advice on the next job that's similar.
Scott

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