CCI Waterbase White

[ebscreen]

Anyone used CCI's Waterbase White (not discharge)? Looking for a solution to non-discharging garments.

Also, they have a water resistant blockout now. Gonna give it a whirl.

[Ryan]

check with TechSupport. they are carrying Permaset. I have done a little with it but so far I really like it. they have a first down white and a super cover white.

[ZooCity]

Pure White is pretty great stuff.  Very smooth white prints on most garments.  It's a cotton only according to Tad at CCI.  I think it's basically an HSA, treat it similar to plastisol in terms of stencil and flashing.  Overprinting CCI WB top colors worked but did not test out well in wash tests so it's pretty much a standalone white.

We used this ink for a run with the dreaded 10" block of white on the front, discharge UB, Pure White, flash, Pure White.  Came out very nice and as good as it gets for hand I would say.  The DC UB was probably not needed or really doing anything in hindsight.

I'm looking forward to comparing this to other HSA high opacity whites and even more looking forward to having a complete HSA mixing system that we can overprint colors onto an HSA white base.

[Prof_Yaffel]

I'm looking forward to comparing this to other HSA high opacity whites and even more looking forward to having a complete HSA mixing system that we can overprint colors onto an HSA white base.

You can add pigment to the white itself and then overprint...works really well. Yes you do have to add a lot of pigment to overcome the white but the finished result is very stretchy with no cracking.

[ZooCity]

Yaffel, do you work for CCI? 

How much pig can be added to Pure White?   We were going to do this today to mix a Yellow 102c using Pure White and CMS yellow but backed off since we were unclear on the interaction.

Can you run Pure White on poly blends or is bleed an issue?

Any plans for a Pure base?

I agree, fantastic washfastness, stretch and durability.  Definitely impressed with the product just need more info so we can use it more.

[Screened Gear]

I'm looking forward to comparing this to other HSA high opacity whites and even more looking forward to having a complete HSA mixing system that we can overprint colors onto an HSA white base.

You can add pigment to the white itself and then overprint...works really well. Yes you do have to add a lot of pigment to overcome the white but the finished result is very stretchy with no cracking.

IM confused on this. You add lets say red pigment to the white then over print it with red WB ink. So you have 2 screens to print red. If you have a 2 color job you have 4 screens? I may have missed something here.

[Evo]

Have you tried the Matsui HO white?

I always had very good results with it.

[noortrd]

For white matsui 301 is best.

[Homer]

eb, any update on the pure white or the aquablock? I just ordered some to try it out. I want to find something for the non dc garments, i think i'll have to give the matsui another shot. I'm hoping to find something in the cci line that works for us...zoo, wash test was a failure with pure white as a base?

[ZooCity]

Pure White is an HSA.  It has been very durable, shrugged off the wash tests like it was nothing, prints still look brand new after 15 wash/dry cycles.  Standard WB colors on top of pure white?  No go.  As Yaffel here said, you can tint pure white (at what level of pigment load???) and put thaton top and get good inter film adhesion but you need an HSA base to do so.  Standard WB base will bond to HSA but not well enough from what I've tested. CCI's only HSA right now appears to be the Pure White but I hear they are working on more, which is great. 

Rutland, Magna, Wilflex and others all have HSA lines now.  We're starting to make the migration and are eating through our first 5gal of Rutland's HSA Soft White this week with much more testing to follow.  I'm sure it'll be a hodge podge of different items from different mfg's as our standard WB and DC ink setup is.  We are beginning to have more of an ink factory than an ink area in some ways....

CCI doesn't but the others mentioned above have HSA base+pig, RFU or both and this is what you would use for top colors over an ink like Pure White.  The WB inks we tested as top colors tried to hang onto it but didn't well enough to put that print out in the world.

We're excited about this ink type, it has it's challenges but lots of promise.

[TCT]

This is exactly what I am working on now too! I got the Magna "starter kit" and I believe all the bases and white. I really wanted to try the Wilflex HSA system but between a useless Midwest Screen salesman and equally poor Wilflex salesman couldn't even start to get me pricing I decided to skip Wilflex for now. I have talked to 2 shops that use the Rutland system and they gave it a solid "7"..... Green Galaxy is going to be rolling out their HSA inks(the white is already out) but the word is NO pig system, just RFU's.

 So I am basically going to be testing Magna and Virus for now. Would be interesting if CCI brought something to the table because that is the discharge system we currently use.

I would LOVE to have 1 system total! WB/DC/HSA all using the same pigments, just different bases.

[Rockers]

check with TechSupport. they are carrying Permaset. I have done a little with it but so far I really like it. they have a first down white and a super cover white.

I totally agree. The Permaset white is awesome. First down or Supercover both great products and a lot better then the 301. We do like as well the Union HS-A Soft White. That stuff is so white even through a high mesh but without the open time extender you are facing an uphill battle.

[abchung]

Make sure you use thin-threads, makes a huge difference to feel and coverage.

[ZooCity]

Try Rob Coleman at Nazdar for the wilflex. I have all the pricing and into somewhere if you email me. 

I want to check the wilflex out now that it looks like oasis is going to stick around.  The core idea for us is to find a pig set with excellent quality and availability that can load a good hsa base. From there you just pick your favorite wb and dc bases, whites and blacks and yer all set.

[ebscreen]

No update yet, too busy. Ugh.